Niti, Mana and Darma Valley - photos and info

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#16 Jul 6th, 2005, 22:54
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Hi Rajkumar,

Truly amazing photos.
I was reading in "Lonely Planet" that foreigners can not travel to Mana. Can you please confirm or unconfirmed this information?

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by ludu Hi Rajkumar,

Truly amazing photos.
I was reading in "Lonely Planet" that foreigners can not travel to Mana. Can you please confirm or unconfirmed this information?

Thanks.
hi
Foreigners can visit Mana with permits.
Mana village is just 3 km from Badrinath. Vasu dhara falls is 5 km from Mana. The foreigners I met on the way had obtained permits . It's worth exploring the area. So get the permits from Gopeswar or Joshimath.
indians don't require permits to visit Mana and Vasudhara falls ,but to go beyond to Ghastoli and Arwa tal permissions are necessary.
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So get the permits from Gopeswar or Joshimath.

Hi rajkumar

Are there any special authorities or tourist offices in Gopeswar or Joshimath that I can obtain the permit from them? Is this permit cost money?

Thanks again for your help
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few more photos

The first one is at Vsudhara falls near Badrinath and the second one in darma valley.
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thank you for such beautiful photos and for sharing your knowledge.
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Hi raj,

Is there any food and accommodation options around Niti, Mana and Darma valley? or one should carry a tent and a stove?

What is the transport around this valley? local bus? taxi? is it expensive?

How much time one should spend around this places?

Many thanks

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Information about Niti, Mana, Milam and Darma valleys

hi ludu,

First of all let me tell you that all these valleys are seasonally populated ( May- October) by people who are loosely named " Bhotias"). Thse valleys offer many off the beaten trail trekking opportunities as well as popular ones.
These places are also excellent to learn about semi-nomadic peoples culture.
As for me I wanted to stay with people as far as possible. So I did n't carry tents and the gear with me. In case you are intersted in trekking mainly, you should be on your own.

Badrinath Valley: Valley of flowers( For V O F) and Hemkund are very popular treks- for VOF, no need to carry any gear. accomodation is available.


Mana village is 3 km beyond Badrinath. so you can stay in Badrinath - accomodation and food are not a problem. A day trek:
start early, reach Mana and from there , Vasudhara falls is 4 km( easy trek). The scenary on the way is spectacular. You can reach Badrinath in the evening. In Mana village Noodles and snacks are available. If you want to camp at the falls, yes, you need to carry the gear and provisions. Mana is the starting point for Satopanth Gangotri treks.( a bit difficult expeditionary treks)

Niti Valley: From Joshi math follow Dhauliganga river, theer are villages like Reni, lata, Juma, Jeelum, Malari, Bampa, Ghansali, and the last one : Niti.
In Lata, thesre is no problem for accomodation and food. There are village guest houses available.(Rs. 200 to rs 300 including food for one day).

From Lata, one can trek towards Nandadevi base camp upto Dibru getta via Lata kharak, Dharansi pass. ( 3 days, moderate to difficult)

You can make a night halt in Lata kharak-trekker hut is available NO food.
Beyond that point carry your gear.

From Juma, One cross the river and go to Dronagiri village and from there to Nandi Kund and Dronagiri Basecamp. (3-4 dayscarry your tents and food)

Beyond Niti village is the base camp of Kamet: 3 days of trekking.
Jeeps can go upto Ghansali. Niti is just 3 km away. But I suggest you from Malari for a wonder ful scenary alonk Dhauli ganga. Upto Malari you can find Accomoidation in villages houses and food in road side eateries. Beyond Malari carry your own provisions and tents.

From Malari there are some side treks like Chopig meadows, Kunti Bhandar, Kalla Khal. These are all day treks.Just carry day pack and lunch.

Badrinath and Niti Valleys are accessible from Joshimath which is a major town on the way to Badrinath( A holy place) So you will find lot of pilgrims in Joshimath and Badrinath. But these side valleys offer peaceful environs and almost unspoilt forests.

And Darma valley is on the extreme right side of Kumaon, bordering Nepal. Dharchula is the place where you start. Upto Sobla, and Dhar there are jeeps. From there trek for 35 km to reach Panchachuli base camp. On the way accomodation and food is availble in village houses and Make shift hotels
you will get a simple village diet and don't expect much. carry tents and your own food if you want to camp at the base of Panchachuli.
The route - Dhar- Bungling-sela-Nangling- Baling- Duktu- Dantu. The village is Sipu ie 8 km from Dantu. permits required from Dharchula. Beyond Sipu, theer are places like Ancharital that requires tents and provisions. Beyond Baling you have to be on your own.

From Dharchula, you can visit Adikailash in Kuti valley.( 15 days) That is a side valley of Kali ganga river valley. Food and accomodation available in rest houses.

To cover the above routes, you require one and half months approximately. And you can also visit Johar valley from Munsiary, and visit Milam village, and Nadadevi East base camp.if you can add 10 days. Food and accomodation available in village hotels. a vey basic diet like roti, rice, dal, sabji.

Do post or PM me about your plans...all these areas are accessible only from May to October.

Happy trekking!
raj
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First of all- raj you are the BEST!!! Wow… its great information!

My plans are to travel around Uttranachal in August and September, and I'm facing a few difficulties:

1. As you know, I'm not an Indian residence, so I'm hopping to arrange permits. I wrote to the GMVN, and couldn't get much information where should I obtain the permits. Do you have any other idea?

2. Do you think one can travel by himself, or only travel with other people? And did you arrange the jeep easily?

3. Due to short schedule, what would you choose for more alpine scenery – the Niti valley or Darma valley? (To Mana I want to go for sure)

4. If I will travel without tent and provisions, and only go from village to village with day treks, do you think I can enjoy the culture and the alpine scenery of the area? I mean- does one have to go to long high altitude treks to enjoy the alpine scenery?

Again, many many thanks

Ludu.
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permits and all

hey ludu,

Permits for Niti and Mana can be obtained from district magistrate( DM), Gopeswar in Chamoli district.
Permits to visit Nandadevi National Park to be issued by District Forest Officer(DFO), Joshimath
Permits for Darma valley should be taken from DM, Pithoragarh.

But let me tell you, I am not aware of the preocedures for foreigners...the required documentation...mostly your passport should be sufficient and few photos.

Darma valley is a bit remote and few foreigners visit that area. ( I know this aspect adds to the charm and attractiveness). In terms of accessibility from Rishikesh... Badrinath, Mana and Niti valleys are nearer. And Joshimath is where these two valleys bifurcate. Going Badrinath and Mana is not a problem at all. Because thesedays there are lot of pilgrim buses and taxis go there.

In Niti valley there are no buses but only jeeps. There are few jeeps everyday ( mostly in the morning) that start from Joshimath to go upto malari and Ghansali.
It's worth halting in in Lata village and take a trek to Latakahrak and Seni kharak. come abck to Lata and go to Juma by jeep, and trek to Dronagiri village.

In case Mana is a must for you, I suggest you visit Niti valley. Darma is a bit far off. It takes two days to reach dharchula from Badrinath in bus.

I also suggest you take a local person in Niti valley as your companion, guide, porter...who can arrange things for you when you arrive in the villages.

BTW how many days r u planning to trek?

alpine meadows can be found at Bedni, Ali, dayara, kush kalyani and some other places.

But if you go to Niti valley, you will find great scenary and nice little villages.
and tere are green pastures and fields. If you decide on visiting Niti valley, do let me know. I will give a few contact persons' addresses. They will help you.

Hope that helps.
cheers
Raj
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Hi raj,

I'm planning to travel around Uttarnachel for about month and a half. In this period of time I also would like to do at least two of the "CHARDHAM".

Btw- which are the two YATRA that combination culture and a scenery of snow peaks?

After the "CHARDHAN" I would like to travel, as you suggest, to Mana and Niti. For those valleys I would like to take a day treks, and not multidays treks that needed tent and provisions. Unless, you will say that if I will have my own tent and provisions (which in that case I will bring in advance) I will get to see most special villages and alpine scenery. But if I will get to see that in day treks, I will prefer that, because I prefer not to carry a tent and a cooking stove from Israel.

Btw- do one need sleeping bag for travel around Mana and Niti?

Another thing that I want to do is the – KUARI PASS, and for that I'm indented to rent the gear.

I will be happy to read your opinions about my itinerary, and will be happy to receive a few contacts number in Niti.

Thank you very much for your help,

Ludu.
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About the pics:
I am scared of death. What if I never see these places before I die!
...and I took the road less travelled.
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a few tips

hi ranggs,
Yes, this planet earth is so diverse in its landscapes. You have to make an effort to experience this mind boggling vareity. Hope you will fulfill your most cherishes wishes before your final day. Good luck !!

hi ludu,

Do you really have 1 and 1/2 months to spend in Uttaranchal. That's great. YOu can visit all 4 pilgrimigae spots of chardham and do quite a lot of trekking also.

One thing you have to remember is that you have to off the main roads and into villgages to experience local culture. The chardham places are full of pilgrims from all parts of India.

You can spend 10 days each in and around 4 chardham sites and then in the remaining 20 days you can visit Niti valley and do the Kuari pass trek and Bedni bugyal trek(alpine meadows are simply fantastic just after rains in this place).
This could be your possible itinerary:

Gangothri region- Dayara bugyal, Dodital, Gaumukh and Tapovan treks
Yamunothri - Harkidun trek
Kedarnath - Madmaheswar trek- Tungnath trek - Joshimath
Badrinath - Valley of flowers trek - Badrinath- Mana- vasudhara falls trek

and then come back to Joshimath and go to Niti valley for 1 week.
Come back to Joshimath and do kuanri pass trek and bedni bugyal treks in 2 weeks.

YES, you should carry sleeping bags in Niti valley. The trekking infrastructure is not much there. As for me I stayed in the local houses and shared their bedding and sometimes I also slept in horse stables also. So don't take chances. Do carry sleeping bags.

As for the local food, I don't know about your standards of expectattions.
I did n't have any problem with local diet. So carry enough loaves bread and other eatables. Be cafeful, you may require water purification tablets.

All the treks I suggested are light to moderate treks. You will be not very far away from civilization. Probably 3,4 max, you have to be on your own.

For kuari pass trek, you can hire guide and rent gear in Joshimath.
Have a good map of the region( Leomann will do) and plan your trip. Don't be rigid about your plans, if you depend on public transportation.

happy trekking

Raj
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raj,

What can I say? You've been very very helpful. I'm so glad that I got to meet you via IM.

For now I don’t have any farther questions. The itinerary that you suggest looks great, and I'm hopping that I will not facing any problems to achieve the permits for the valleys.

If I will have other questions, I hope that it will be all right, if will write to you a private massage.

Again, thank you very much for your help.

Ludu.
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