Building a house in Kumaon hills

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#16 Sep 7th, 2009, 12:45
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Stilts? hmmm....
Any special requirments for rocks down below or would they be okay on a mud and gravel slope?
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Thanks, Vijay, for the topic name change. I think stilts must reach rock. I would not dig the property anywhere except for holes for stilts (against it in principle). Perhaps a raised patio facing the road for your flat area from where you could talk to passers-by or invite friends for a cup of tea (your house should be higher than the road). Your task is more or less laid out. North - large glass windows, open on other sides (Ramgarh will not be very cold even in winter that you need to small openings). You have views towards North and East. You have a U-turn in the east of the property, also in the west. Will that be prone to accidents? Perhaps, construction can be avoided on that side. Sky light facing south (towards front of the house and along the width), because from there will come the sun light. I hope I am making sense. Check about wind direction in different seasons. Perhaps you can keep 'void space' to let sun light come. Put the water tanks somewhere else.
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are there snakes in this region ?
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Are there snakes in Uttarkhand? I did not encounter them in my few treks (speaks a lot about the environmental situation in Uttarkhand - not very good).
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I'm concerned for you that in the South the hill you are building upon will obscure the low winter sun - you should get it morning and afternoon if the view is clear to the East and West. So you have to construct a North facing house. Can the house be built down the slope some way, it would be my preference, being next to any road gives access easily to the uninvited! Plus, and dependent upon where the stream runs you can avoid a Tank in the house and instead construct a filtered settling tank of stone/masala, giving a constant head of water and have gravity deliver the water where required in a narrowing pipe that increases its' pressure = less plumbing, no pumps or electricity needed to lift water and keeps your gabled roof uncluttered for solar hot water system, fed also by the settling tank. 100 feet will easily give very good pressure.

Skylights in false ceiling? Just build a frame between the sheets and the plyboard, approx 6"- 10" gap and fit wired glass, straightforward really.

Once you have the dimensions of the house e.g. 25' x 45’ you can then estimate where to place your support stilts. The support stilts should be placed at very corner and in the centre of the slab, probably 4 needed front side at 10/12' spacing in your case. You will need to dig deep holes for the stilts but digging the hole is a problem. You can’t get a machine in and by hand you will need to dig bigger holes in order to get down there - for space to build up the shuttering for the concrete rebar columns – unless you use wood poles?

Pressed steel doorframes and windows are not going to rust for a hundred years or more, well primed and painted people can’t generally discern them from wooden frames, no bugs will eat them so no worries.

Concrete reinforced columns and bands are like well, strong columns and bands, smooth plastered finish and painted!
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Paleface,

Wow ! What an excellent piece...

Are you a civil engineer ? Or an architect ?

Although it's apparent from your post that you do not like uninvited guests, but someday I would like to see your house.......
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Originally Posted by v0k0sharma View Post Have a spot in Malla-Ramgarh where planning to build "something" within the excellent view of the higher himalayas (esp Nanda Devi).
If you don't mind me asking, how did you acquire the land? Your Location reads Jaipur, so curious?

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Originally Posted by v0k0sharma View Post Have planned to stay in rented house in Bhimtal temporarily for a year - will proceed from there.
And, what are the approx. long term monthly rents in this area?
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Paleface, Vijay wants to have a duplex house. If he builds accross the slope, he can have that (that also anchors the house well) and gives him sunlight if the axis of the house is North/South. Filtered settling tank - a real great idea.
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You are right that the low winter sun is obscured to some extent, but the hot afternoon sun is very much there as the northern face contours off into the S_W direction. However imho, northern and eastern sunlight is preferable as there is less glare and it is much diffused, but the solar heat benefits are certainly reduced. Do not know how effective would a solar water heater may be in my case. The stream is located adjacent to the site in the oak forest visible in one photo of the road above. However tapping the stream is not really necessary as the estate owner has already rigged up a tank just below the site from where water is pumped up to a bigger storage tank. As the stream passes thru forest land, any tampering is not allowed, the existing tap-offs are pre-existing from many years(Was originally Birla's estate)
Regarding support stilts, are these still required if we are going by retaining wall construction ie. creating a flat plot first?
So far have been only considering the first construction beside the top road, but you have set me thinking - not necessarily for privacy reasons as the road is a private one and the site being high up - there is negligible traffic. Unless you meant some wildlife ?? However the picture being created in mind is nice when considering the house slightly down below and about 5-10 meters off the road. But may give it a pass as the USP of the site is its excellent view - which may be partly obstructed by oak trees - anyway, will decide on site.
Skylight in false ceiling - I think I may be imagining the skylight of a larger size, not a big issue anyway.
You had mentioned steel door frames with wood doors. But for glass windows (50% fixed and 50% openable panes), would prefabricated steel or aluminium ones be okay? Have seen these with rubber sealings and double glazing(for insulation) in some resorts - would this may prove to be very expensive??? Have no way of comparing cost with an usual wood frame glass window of good quality. This is important for me as most of the north view would be widely open into most rooms.
In reply to smakkar's queries
The body lives in Jaipur, the soul wanders somewhere in the hills. Have been trekking since college days which has now tempered down mostly to 'propah' travels with family - but still always into the hills. One day few years back, near Choukori while sitting and gazing at the vista - got fixated on Nanda Devi and experienced something which would be a bit off topic here - mainly a deep desire to keep her in view at all times. Hence the hunt started and landed up with this patch about 3-4 years back. Only after this Nanda Devi encounter have met quite a few people from diverse backgrounds in the area who have similarly got attached to the living goddess. Yes, living ! Please do not expect any explanations here.
The longterm rentals in Bhimtal and Bhowali(Both are at much lower elevations) are very reasonable when compared to Nainital. A decent 1000 sqft apartment can be had for 10~15000/- per month. Cheaper options (5000/-)are available at off the roads humbler dwellings - which are ok for non-family groups.
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Yes, VK, what is so strange in this? The mountains live, the streams talk, the trees dance, and the wind sings. Ask anyone who loves mountains.
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1. You must have seen the roof of Udaipur autitorium, sloping egg-shaped, would do the best in mountains with proper angle (at one time I calculated 53 degrees, 23 degrees + lattitude of the place), keeping the sunlight out in the hottest month and allowing it in winter months, direction - north south. Might be quite difficult to make unless with some innovative thinking. (http://images.google.co.in/images?hl...tart=0&ndsp=20)
2. Solar heating or electricity is a definite yes.
3. Can you get a connection before the water goes into tanks? Cleaner water through silting.
4. Wild life? I don't think there is any in that environment.
5. Oaks enhance the view and not hinder them. Just walk down if you want a panoramic view.
6. All kind of windows are possible. Glazing? What would happen to the view? I would go for large plastic- reinforced glass panes in North. Double glass windows perhaps not required in Ramgarh.
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Oh boy ! I am enjoying reading this thread !
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Solar angle in July and December 21st

Yes , I also did those solar angle calculations during the making of my Jaipur house but have realised in reality that these calculations (23.5° + latitude) give the solar angle only for the noon sun. Now the house is made and nothing much can be done.

As the sun rises/sets then it actually is more northern than above calculations. It is easy to understand if one visualises the spherical earth, one's position relative to the latitudes directly south and the same latitude at the horizons.
Have also noticed something similar in 'great circle' navigation or something like this. In which contrary to assumption the shortest distance when travelling from a point "A" in east to "B" in west on the same latitude would not be along the latitude ... esp for long distances.

In short, if we have an east-west wall at say 30°-North latitude then one would assume that the sunlight would never hit the northern face as the sun moves between 23.5° north and south. BUT it does when the sun is rising or setting.
Just an often overlooked fact as in my case, couldn't resist picking up on this point, as realised this very late after some very smug calculations etc.

As my site is on the northern slope, not much flexibility there. You just take whatever heat n light the mountian contours and sun give you.
Oaks indeed are a view in themselves. But the dense oaks are capable of blocking the view of the greater himalayan range partly when the window is at a low vantage point.
Double glazing, I think, simply means double glass sheets packed together with an dry air gap in between. Good for insulation, saves energy costs. The site is in Malla(higher) - Ramgarh at about 2200 meters - 19 km by road from Nainital. Plastic-reinforced glass pane? Do we mean laminated glass or there is something else.
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Sun would rise low from south-east in winter and set in south-west as compared to where it rises in summer. So the rooms where you want heat in winter should be on south side. https://fretzreview.wikispaces.com/f...t2lfS118_a.jpg
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If that much thinking goes into building a house then even god cannot untangle my knotted mind...I guess I would just buy a chair and keep on moving with the sun until I can manage.
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