Roopkund in detail and explained

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#1501 Jun 14th, 2014, 14:55
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Very glad to hear that you made a wise and sensible decision concerning your son, Duronto. There will be another time for Roopkund. Cheers!
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So bring on the Tr & pic Di...
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#1503 Jun 14th, 2014, 18:12
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Duronto

Thanks for the detailed reply. I am glad your son is well. Roopkund can wait for some other day.
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[QUOTE=Duronto Jajabar;1757661]Not so difficult I think as I myself took my son back from pathar nachuni for his breathing problem. Reached garoli pathar at 11.30 pm . Could not do rupkunda but saved my son.[/QUOTE

Do try Roopkund any time later.

But for your right decision on right time.
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#1506 Jun 19th, 2014, 19:51
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Nice poster ...
#1507 Jun 20th, 2014, 13:27
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The AMS poster looks to really take the subject very lightly and in my view half knowledege is most times more dangerous

1. It doesnt talk accalmitization at all - this by far is most important
2. It talks of physical exercise which is very good but most studies have not been able to establish a link between physical exercise at Sea-levels and its impact on AMS. See link http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7571557 and see this also http://www.altituderesearch.org/trav...ude/fast-facts
3. Also checking AMS by having Disprin and seeing if it is effective seems to be very round about way of assessing AMS. Why should such agencies not carry on Oximeter which costs less than 2000 INR and wieghs less than 100 gms...

I think people and many agencies tend to take AMS very lightly ...
#1508 Jun 20th, 2014, 13:34
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Well the poster is from Indiahikes, if really this is their view on AMS then it is a case Caveat Emptor - buyer beware
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Originally Posted by SomPan View Post Well I did go to Facebook and read the whole thing, my guess is if the person was evacuated in the evening it could have been a different outcome - though I understand that it is difficult in the night...

More importantly the following lines on their FB page suggest they are not owning up
"However, we cannot help but rue the fact that had Subhadip not downplayed his symptoms and had been on a course of diamox as we recommend, the situation could be different today."
Yes, this last paragraph kind of blames Late Mr Nath. When I wrote in facebook about that, this is what Mr Arjun Majumdar Replied: "If you have more suggestions that will prevent accidents like this happening in future, you are more than welcome to air them -- we will respond immediately. However, if your intention is to be malicious and vicious about an organisation that has only been earnest about trekking in India then, unfortunately we do not see any reason to entertain you."
http://www.indiahikes.in/blog-sectio...deal-with-ams/

IndiaHikes is skipping acclimatization days but promoting Diamox.
#1510 Jun 20th, 2014, 16:27
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In 2010, a trekker Mr Mohan from Bangalore died due to AMS when he went trekking to Roopkund with Indiahikes. At that time, Indiahikes shifted the blame by saying that Mr Mohan had previous issue with AMS and also did not inform his wife that he was going trekking.

Now, last month another trekker Subhodip Nath has died trekking with Indiahikes on the same Roopkund route, for the same reason AMS. Again, Indiahikes is shifting the blame by saying Subhodip should have taken Diamox!

In both the cases, Indiahikes delayed the evacuations and we had 2 deaths because of the criminal negligence of Indiahikes.

Moreover, there has been enough negative reviews of Indiahikes services like 1) Inadequate and non-nutricious food 2) Not allowing use of tents to unwell trekkers coming down as the tents would be used by trekkers climbing up 3) Saving a day and making trekkers climb higher much faster, which leads to sickness and AMS 4) Not having ropes in risky sectors 5) No support for weak and slow trekkers 6) Underqualified Trek Leaders(I know a 24-year old who has been appointed Trek Leader last month. He has never trekked in Garhwal or Himachal or done even a basic mountaineering course. Yet he was appointed as Trek Leader for Rupin Pass).

Indiahikes has been taking very large groups which they obviously cannot manage. They also take multiple batches to a trek, thereby spoling the environment.

In fact, this year there was a report which also gave pictures on how Indiahikes dumps human excreta in plastic bags in rivers of Ladakh during Chadar treks.

It is time people exposed these rogue trek organisers, who want to make fast money at the cost of the lives of people, and also spoil the environment.
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I think it's time the state govt banned them. Easier said than done though.
#1512 Jun 21st, 2014, 19:06
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I have trekked with them and do not like to go with them, but inexperienced first time trekkers have only 2-3 similar options to go with. Once you make a hobby into business, compromises follow. On Roopkund trip, I refused to take Diamox, suffered AMS, did not eat or drink water for 3 days (total 200 ml and one slice of bread) - yet i could have easily finished the trek if they had allowed me to stay an extra night at Bhagwassa, but they insisted i need to get down to Bedni after climbing Roopkund (I have earlier as well caught up with groups by taking very early starts and doing extra kilometers on last day (way down is easier for me) - so i turned back from Bhagwassa).

Unfortunately, some of my friends still like to go with them - i prefer local arrangers with good reputations (they never talk of Diamox). By the way, in emergency getting someone down at night is not very difficult if you have enough porters to help.
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I noticed that in this discussion Diamox was mentioned several times.There is a medicine in homoeopathy named COCA which is very effective to reduce the possibility of AMS or altitude related sickness. I personally used it several times and found very effective if started to taken once daily at least 4/5 days before reaching high altitude. This is a preventive medicine where as diamox is a curative medicine. However,no way this medicine is substitute to proper acclimatization to avoid AMS.
#1514 Jun 26th, 2014, 20:40
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Originally Posted by marshaltit View Post I noticed that in this discussion Diamox was mentioned several times.There is a medicine in homoeopathy named COCA which is very effective to reduce the possibility of AMS or altitude related sickness. I personally used it several times and found very effective if started to taken once daily at least 4/5 days before reaching high altitude. This is a preventive medicine where as diamox is a curative medicine. However,no way this medicine is substitute to proper acclimatization to avoid AMS.
Yup COCA 6 is also a good medicine but I heard that it takes a bit more time to adjust your body...
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Money has taken over the mind of IndiaHikes organizer..arjunm , he was a ex-IMer , in fact he is OP of this thread only ...if they provide quality arrangement and care ...high time people stop using IndiaHikes ..but look like still they have good business
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