Remote Caves in Himalayan Range

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Does anyone know of solitary habitable caves (proper insulated caves, not just overhangs) for a week in Uttarakhand/ Himachal region, preferably at altitude in order of 2500-3000m, and accessible in winter by a trek of no more than a day from a village.
Clean one, rather than those used by shepherds for all summer would be nice.

For example, Lahesh caves above Triund is a good example of what I'm looking for, but it's frequented by day-trekkers, even in winter, whenever snow condition allows.

Sukhram caves in Sunderdunga region are too remote and inaccessible in winter.

I see several caves in Pithoragarh region - Chipla Kedar route, Munsyari (above Jimiya village) but can't get details on actual size - have learnt from my experience that overhangs are also called as caves by locals.

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Are you looking for zero investment 'shift and settle' in hills

I doubt you will find any cave as per your description. I don't know if lahesh cave can be said a true cave, but such structures can be found in many places across rocky hillside.

Real cave will have bats, and it will be exact opposite of clean. If there are no bats, then there is someone taking over the control and starting a startup in prayers. Caves at higher altitudes are not safe due to wildlife oxygen issues.

If you find any cave that is clean, has no human presence, and is deep, then I may visit next, so PM me the details once you return
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Originally Posted by jituyadav View Post Are you looking for zero investment 'shift and settle' in hills

I doubt you will find any cave as per your description. I don't know if lahesh cave can be said a true cave, but such structures can be found in many places across rocky hillside.

Real cave will have bats, and it will be exact opposite of clean. If there are no bats, then there is someone taking over the control and starting a startup in prayers. Caves at higher altitudes are not safe due to wildlife oxygen issues.

If you find any cave that is clean, has no human presence, and is deep, then I may visit next, so PM me the details once you return
Just for a week. A long winter walk isn't as much fun now as it used to, in the youth. So this time, thinking of doing something different.

I understand clean part - didn't mean it like spotless. Just habitable and insulated enough to spend a few nights. Most huts I come across in the wild have piles of sheep-shit, and some are even full of animal bones, etc. A true Yogi might not mind it. I do

Another example:

Tapovan (Gangotri) has a few such structures, but again, not accessible in winters.

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Originally Posted by the_blue_bharal View Post Does anyone know of solitary habitable caves (proper insulated caves, not just overhangs) for a week in Uttarakhand/ Himachal region
You've always been on a lookout for such offbeat accommodations in the hills, eh? Like Jitu said, do share if you find some. I call dibs for third place!

May I suggest talking to some locals in Nohradhar. I did see a few big rock caves enroute Churdhar that are used by shepherds. You can inquire your heart out, to check if it suits your specs or not. Though that region also has bears. Beyond wildlife and oxygen, in some caves water-logging, reptiles, etc. may be an issue.

Are you sold just on natural rock cave or would a man-made, desolated structure will do? If yes, then see the pics of Nadalu Mahadev, Temple in Boh valley.

All the best!
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Are you sure about that name blackfog for when i google 'nadalu mahadev temple' the images I get are of -

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My bad! I should have mentioned 'on the maps'. Please see the photos here https://goo.gl/maps/sURUx5qJZx92

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Originally Posted by blackfog View Post You've always been on a lookout for such offbeat accommodations in the hills, eh? Like Jitu said, do share if you find some. I call dibs for third place!

May I suggest talking to some locals in Nohradhar. I did see a few big rock caves enroute Churdhar that are used by shepherds. You can inquire your heart out, to check if it suits your specs or not. Though that region also has bears. Beyond wildlife and oxygen, in some caves water-logging, reptiles, etc. may be an issue.

Are you sold just on natural rock cave or would a man-made, desolated structure will do? If yes, then see the pics of Nadalu Mahadev, Temple in Boh valley.

All the best!
Not stuck-up on natural/ man-made, looking for just solitude. Nadalu Mahadev seems nice Will explore in more detail.

And good to know there are more valleys in the Himalaya that I haven't heard names of
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Originally Posted by the_blue_bharal View Post Not stuck-up on natural/ man-made, looking for just solitude. Nadalu Mahadev seems nice Will explore in more detail.
I realize that stuck-up word has a negative connotation. Let's just call it a preference. And good to know you are open to other camping ideas.

Would you prefer camping in your own tent or do you need some shelter? Would a dilapidated shelter (like room at Nag Tibba), a cave (like Lahesh), or even cheap forest rest house where nobody bothers?
If I see Himachal on Maps/Earth, I see many opportunities of solitude that are near enough to civilization that you can come back and re-stock once a week. Let me know your preference and I can share what I know. Feel free to call as well, you should have my mobile no.

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Originally Posted by vaibhav_arora View Post Are you sure about that name blackfog for when i google 'nadalu mahadev temple' the images I get are of -

1. Amit Shah
2. Raman Singh
3. Ramnath Kovind
4. Derek O Brian
5. Amit Shah x 3
6. Nitish Kumar
7. Jiten Ram Manjhi.



...just try for yourself
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Originally Posted by blackfog View Post I realize that stuck-up word has a negative connotation. Let's just call it a preference. And good to know you are open to other camping ideas.

Would you prefer camping in your own tent or do you need some shelter? Would a dilapidated shelter (like room at Nag Tibba), a cave (like Lahesh), or even cheap forest rest house where nobody bothers?
If I see Himachal on Maps/Earth, I see many opportunities of solitude that are near enough to civilization that you can come back and re-stock once a week. Let me know your preference and I can share what I know. Feel free to call as well, you should have my mobile no.


Yes, I am counting on it! That the Himalayas always have more than I know or I explore -- sort of like an infinite realm that has infinite options to offer, to amaze with, and to nurture us
For now, going just for a week or so, not a long time. So re-stocking logistics etc, not an issue. Planning in peak Chillai Kalan: Jan 20-Jan30, so would like to avoid tent stay and have better insulation of any kind: natural cave, dilapidated building anything.

For now, will probably go to just Nadalu Mahadev or will add Kareri Lake to it as well, depending on snow conditions.

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Originally Posted by the_blue_bharal View Post For now, going just for a week or so, not a long time. So re-stocking logistics etc, not an issue.
Oh OK. Since I am not fit enough to carry food for a week, along with other items, so I think in terms of re-stocking or local availability of food Given winters and choice of place, you may need stove and fuel canisters that occupy space and add to the weight. Your mileage may vary when it comes to re-stocking.

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Planning in peak Chillai Kalan: Jan 20-Jan30, so would like to avoid tent stay and have better insulation of any kind: natural cave, dilapidated building anything.
Makes sense. Just be cognizant of the condensation that will happen on the top layer above you. Let it not directly be a sleeping bag but another layer on top of it. Can be tent, tarp, or something else, inside the cave/shelter.

You didn't mention if a rest house or an inspection hut will help. What about temple sarai? Popular ones like Kamru Naag, Himani Chamunda, Prashar, and Churdhar Mahadev have good shelter minus the crowds during winters. These are also reasonably close to the civilization to help with re-stocking, as required

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For now, will probably go to just Nadalu Mahadev or will add Kareri Lake to it as well, depending on snow conditions.
Just know that this region has bears and leopards that are not shy of coming on the human trail, when the trails are not frequented in winters. Even the locals suggest having some company. For example, In winters, brown bears are common on the Kareri ridge.

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