Kibber to Karzok Without a Guide

#1 Apr 9th, 2013, 21:51
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Hey guys. I've seen a few threads discussing the Kibber to Karzok trek (or reverse) through Parang La; however, I want to attempt this trek without a guide. I'll give some details about our group and add my questions at the end of the post. Of course if there is another thread that has covered all of this please reprimand and redirect me.

BACKGROUND:
We are a group of 5 guys all in our early 20s in shape, overconfident, pretty active and experienced with outdoor adventure activities. I've been working in India for about 8 months now, conversational in Hindi and can read and write. My friends have also been working or travelling around Asia. We have basic gear: backpacks, tents, sleeping bags, GPS, clothing, etc. We want to attempt this trek because it's one of the hardest we've come across; we are looking for a challenge not a tour. Most importantly, funding is the limiting factor on our trek and we simply cannot afford to hire a herd of donkeys and a village of guides/cooks. I am not completely opposed to perhaps one guide if absolutely necessary. We will be setting out in late June or early July and hope to complete the trek in 9-10 days but time is not an issue. We will acclimate to the altitude for a week or so before we set off. I have found topo maps of the area and GPS tracks on google earth that are roughly correct. I'll take care of the innerline permit stuff.

QUESTIONS:
Detours of a couple hours here and there are not an issue, but can we complete this trek guideless without becoming hopelessly lost?
Do we have to carry ten days worth of food or are there any villages along the way where we can stockpile?
We have water filters and purifying pills are there places where we can melt snow or streams where we can refill?
Do we have to bring our own gear (more than a swimsuit) for river crossings or is there some sort of infrastructure in place?
How much of the trek is typically covered in snow at the beginning of July?
If it is impossible without a guide how much would one guide cost to show us the way (ballpark of course)? Also, where would be the most likely place to find him?

Any tips, ideas, ridicule, answers or comments are appreciated.
#2 Apr 10th, 2013, 01:38
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It is possible to do the Parang-la trek without a guide. I did this last year in early aug. You can see my blog account here :-
http://sathyastravels.blogspot.in/20...g-la-trek.html

Hope it helps.

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Originally Posted by soxthefox View Post QUESTIONS:
Detours of a couple hours here and there are not an issue, but can we complete this trek guideless without becoming hopelessly lost?

Yes - it can be done. There is not too much scope of getting lost. Check the maps I have mentioned in the blog. If you need help in purchasing the maps I can help point in you in right direction.

Do we have to carry ten days worth of food or are there any villages along the way where we can stockpile?

If you are sufficiently acclimatized then this is a min 5 day trek and can be done in 7 days. There is no places you can purchase food, once you start from Kibber and till you reach Korzok so you have to be self-sufficient.

We have water filters and purifying pills are there places where we can melt snow or streams where we can refill?
Water should not be a problem. You have plenty of campsites where there is water available. There is one stretch where you may not find water (see my blog).

Do we have to bring our own gear (more than a swimsuit) for river crossings or is there some sort of infrastructure in place?

Only 1 major river crossing and no need for any swimsuit of any kind. The water may be knee /thigh deep. But be careful and cross at right point.

How much of the trek is typically covered in snow at the beginning of July?

Sorry cant answer that as that would vary from season to season.

If it is impossible without a guide how much would one guide cost to show us the way (ballpark of course)? Also, where would be the most likely place to find him ?

There might be other trekking groups along the way so you might be able to tag along. Just check if any groups are going along from Kibber.

Any tips, ideas, ridicule, answers or comments are appreciated.
Feel free to PM me if you have specifics...
#3 Apr 10th, 2013, 03:14
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Did this years ago from the Khorzok side. Brilliant trek, congrats to Sathya(correct name?) for doing it in reverse, top quality description, agree most of the above comments. The problem doing that way will be the rate of ascent, take care. Route finding shouldnt be so hard that way, the path is easy to miss on the 2nd to last day exiting the gorge but coming in it is just a matter of turning right and slogging up.

There may be problems with snow in June/July. We did it in late August and there was a snow cap on the pass and possible crevasses although the guide knew the way round the potential ones. When I have been that high in June I have had snow/sleet/fog occasionally. beaten back at the top a pass in the Ladakh range by an impromptu blizzard 2 years back.

maps
The only ones really worth it are the Olizane.ch ones although they are based on the old Survey of India maps which I think date from at latest the 50s(!). The downside is that they are expensive. I swear by them for off piste stuff. If you are navigators then SOI ones should be OK. Leomann stuff is OK for diagrams but not topo accurate

You shouldnt have trouble BUT remember there aint no St Bernard's up there and it only needs one person to get ill and.............
If you haven't done a high altitude trek before think carefully, its not an ideal first timer
good luck
#4 Apr 15th, 2013, 17:57
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Thank's guys, I appreciate the input. vsathyanarayan, the maps and info on your blog was great.

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