Death and why people fear it

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#1 May 9th, 2016, 09:38
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Why people that believe in God and heaven fear death??

Don't get it!

It's a paradox!
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No such fear. Seen it many times and been close to it three times.

Ancient Sanskrit saying :

'Nithyam Sannihitho Mruthyuhu'

Death is always behind us the moment we are born and life is a constant chase towards it!
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Prince, if you can live with the knowledge of death and not fear it, then you have accomplishes something special.


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Because it might hurt anyway!

Spike Milligan nailed it: "I'm not afraid of dying I just don't want to be there when it happens"
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People who believe in heaven also believe in some kind of retribution. Since heaven is not the only option, uncertainty is a given. That creates fear about the outcome.

Psychologically death is the end of the world as we know it (Kierkegaard). An ending of everything, even if you believe in an afterlife.

There is also an instinctual existential dread of the unknown.

Personally I don't believe anyone who says he has no fear of death.

It can be that the (imagined) confidence in what follows death brightens up any negative notion of what death means. But then death has not been fully fathomed.
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Fear of death has nothing to do with heaven or God, it is a primal instinct that helps any specie to keep on flourishing. Without fear of death, sooner or later the specie will be wiped out, so it is a good thing.

And everyone fears death, that is in our genes. Sometimes there is unfounded fear which is psychological and develops due to many factors, for instance the fear of pain during death. Our mind has too many painful scenes from movies and real life to cope with. Majority of population do not fear death in normal circumstances because death itself is not thought about in day to day life. It is conveniently set aside as something one is immune to.

Then there is fear when one is faced with death, which is universal. Anyone who says he or she does not fear death even when the death is about to happen has either a genetic abnormality or is lying. People overcome fear, but it always remains in the background, as without it many stupid mistakes will be made.

Only in one situation the fear of death is lost, when the person accepts that there is no running away from death, and it is certain. Then it is more about coming to terms with it, and when that happens, the fighting spirit is lost, and the person gives up any form of hope or action, or becomes superhuman and acts as if there is no tomorrow, giving everything he has combining it in a last spark, usually in wars.
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Whatever you folks say, I would rather be alive than dead
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Cowardice in war is something for which a soldier can be condemned to death. Well, there are practical aspects such as danger to one's colleagues, and war doesn't work if the soldiers run away, but I always thought it the natural thing to do!
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People overcome fear, but it always remains in the background, as without it many stupid mistakes will be made.
Exactly. While I fear the pain that accompanies dying because I've already experienced something similar, I consciously don't have a slight fear of ending the "me" anymore (maybe because of years and years of extreme suffering??). But I know myself well enough that when the moment of death is there, the subconscious fear will come out of its hiding place and show me my idea of fearlessness was just shallow arrogance.
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Scientifically speaking, death has nothing to do with religion. In the perspective of science, death is natural to any living creature. It's that simple. Life is actually a flow of energy from one stage to the other, i.e., from one generation to the next. If a creature is living, it will certainly die one day.
From the perspective of our psychology, death is more dreadful than anything else. Why? It might be because our ancestors believed that death is the transportation of a person to an unknown world.
Practically, death of a person takes away our loved-ones and that's the pain.
But we cannot escape death.
Remember: Death of a noble person may take away his body, but his ideas live forever.
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I know someone whose sister had a disease that everyday was making her worse. There was no hope. She was paralyzed and on artificial respiration and she finally told the doctors to stop the artificial air. She didn't want to live like this anymore. She died in November last year. My friend told me the last thing she said to her, her sister was "This Sucks"!

Was she afraid? Don't know. But she knew it was coming.
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People fear the pain.
People fear the unknown.
A major role of religion is to generate fantastic nonfalsifiable stories about the hereafter, to make people accept death more easily. But religious people fear death because they know in their heart of hearts that these stories are total BS.
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Not everyone fears death. Sol embraced it.
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Some seem to be confused between natural instincts of survival to protect oneself from situations/circumstances that threaten life aka 'Fight or Flight' mechanism and 'Fear'.

Many people who participate in extreme adventure sport/activities know the extreme risks of their actions and yet they embrace that 'fear'(of death) and play them. Many have lost their lives but they never have withdrawn.

Also many examples of people who attained a mental state where they fear nothing.I call these 'enlightened' people and they attained that state by whatever means they could.

Are they all liars and people with genetic abnormalities?.
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Originally Posted by prince09 View Post Some seem to be confused between natural instincts of survival to protect oneself from situations/circumstances that threaten life aka 'Fight or Flight' mechanism and 'Fear'.

Many people who participate in extreme adventure sport/activities know the extreme risks of their actions and yet they embrace that 'fear'(of death) and play them. Many have lost their lives but they never have withdrawn.
No... it is not the same thing. I have never taken part in any extreme sport or occupation, but I have sailed, and some of my sailing times may have reached two on the one-to-ten scale of horrible-going-on-dangerous, which would actually be pretty bad to someone without experience.

As a one-time sailor, I can say that we don't go to see to face death: we seek to make damn sure that we acquire and practice the skills to stop it happening. But forgetting that we are half an inch of wood or fibreglass away from death (or one missed step, or one wave without the safety harness, etc etc etc) is not advised.

Heck, if we stopped doing stuff because we might die, we would not do anything. We certainly would never drive, or maybe not even walk, on an Indian road. Of course, that is a classic place for seeing that the chances of death are vastly increased because everyone forgets to think about them.

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Also many examples of people who attained a mental state where they fear nothing.I call these 'enlightened' people and they attained that state by whatever means they could.

Are they all liars and people with genetic abnormalities?.
No, they are not... but many are living a complete illusion. Both illusion and ignorance are great antidotes to fear. They even don't know anything about the dangers they face, or have accepted some sort of brainwash which might comfort them. here we are talking about a sort of disease. Perhaps AIDS kills more people than AIDS --- I'm talking about Acquired Instinct Deficiency Syndrome.

To live with the knowledge of death and accept it is, as I said before, a great thing.

Me... I guess I'll just go on living with my fears, small and great.

I wouldn't even do that firewalking thing. I don't really know much about the firewalking thing,but I think it is probably mostly associated with religion, and is just piling illusion on illusion.

I suspect that the real secret is to know that there is a "trick" (a real and genuine reason why the feet don't burn) to it and do it anyway, and that the real lesson is then to know that so many of our fears are meaningless.
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Originally Posted by prince09 View Post Some seem to be confused between natural instincts of survival to protect oneself from situations/circumstances that threaten life aka 'Fight or Flight' mechanism and 'Fear'.
Fear is the foundation of natural instinct of survival, that should not be difficult to comprehend. The whole purpose of 'fear' is to keep us secure, to keep us away from dangerous situations and living beings.

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That is because they know they are in safe hands. Millions are spent on safety aspects of adventure sports, there is an assurance that nothing will go wrong. It is no different than riding a motorbike or flying in a plane, many do it daily without fear.

Get top 10 most daring adventure sports enthusiast and ask them to do bungee jumping using your home made rope of rubber, if even one accepts your offer, I will accept your premise.

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Originally Posted by prince09 View Post Also many examples of people who attained a mental state where they fear nothing.I call these 'enlightened' people and they attained that state by whatever means they could.

Are they all liars and people with genetic abnormalities?.
Enlightened people you got me there, I have no argument to any so called enlightened person who claims to have conquered fear.

These people prey on naive beings by talking nonsense, while being the most insecure people in reality.
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