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#16 Sep 26th, 2013, 11:19
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Originally Posted by travelmendak View Post The problem is money! Being ousted in one's own land feels terrible :'(

I respect everyone's privacy/time etc. but when people are sharing taxis but just because me and a friend could directly approach and ask them we were denied seems weird.
I think you mean "being priced out" instead of "being ousted." The solution is simple. Visit another country. I am an Indian, and at times, I feel our "own land" doesn't offer a cost-competitive travel experience compared to foreign countries, e.g. China. Well, maybe it does now, with the rupee going down to its true value.
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@travelmendak, IMHO, it was job of cab owner/travel agency to find passengers. You faced the situation, as wrong person was doing it.
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Originally Posted by happyhippy View Post Well its quite simple really , its has everything to do with perception and preconceived notions! You assume that all foreigners are: friendly,jovial, logical,objective, open,unbiased,secure , non-racial folks, who see you as an equal human being with similar values, and they see you as a possible: threat ,a con-man, someone with an hidden agenda ,someone whose association is likely to cause harm or a loss of some kind , as someone with something to sell, inferior, as someone after their money or as someone looking for sex !

Hence they don't want to have anything to do with anyone who looks local! Just because one hasn't experienced what another has, ridiculing , or being dismissive of his concern is immature to say the least. It is not worthless pondering, this is something many Indians tourist who meet foreign travelers, and expect to be treated as equals or kindered spirits experience!

Hope this helps you reconsider some of your preconceived beliefs:
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HH you're way of the mark bringing race in to, it has absolutely nothing to do with it. If an Indian at home, in Europe in Australia wanted to share a taxi with me then great, no problem. What we are talking about is pure logic. 90% of Indians that approach a foreigner in India are looking to sell you something, so please tell me how does a foreigner tell the difference? I consider every person on the planet to be equal but does that mean my equal doesn't want to sell me something?

Again, I reiterate it has nothing at all to do with race. If I got bit by 10 dogs and and an 11th walked up to me in the street would I pet it? Of course not! Why? Logic!

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i actually was in the opposite situation. While going from place A to place B, it so transpired that there were other foreigners ( singles and couples) who where travelling the same route, and just ganged up on me to negotiate with the local transporters, and then were very happy to split the costs.

The only thing i did was negotiate in the local language, and once the prices came to a reasonable level (at least reduced by half or more), i told them how the splits would work out, on a per person basis, and they agreed to the deal and paid me up to the last rupee. From my end, I made sure that everyone was dropped off in their place of choice, and had their hotel rooms confirmed, and i was the last to get out and settle the bill. I was only aware of the distance between the two places, and those guys figured out it was a fair price for them, i was used to travelling at much much cheaper rates using public transport.

I did not inform them of all the intermediate rates, or other things that were being said, and they did not seem to be bothered too much about it. maybe i was wrong in that, i just do not know how to deal with such things.

This happened twice in different places, so i assume this was common, and a novelty for me. I do travel in shared taxis etc, but those are generally fixed routes and fixed prices. In fact, there was a very big shouting match between me and one of the cab drivers once,because he was objecting to us pooling together, and i told him he was welcome to do whatever he wanted.

This experience gave me a new insight into how the foreigners/guests of this country are treated at every level. And how important a language skill is. And often led me to wonder why they come here, if they are sheared like the sheep in new zealand.
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To summarise the comments : If I visit any other country whose citizenship I do not have/ where I do not look like a local I will be trusted more than my own land? This is so horrible!
Maybe I should tell everyone I am an Indiamike member to sound more convincing !
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Originally Posted by travelmendak View Post To summarise the comments : If I visit any other country whose citizenship I do not have/ where I do not look like a local I will be trusted more than my own land? This is so horrible!
Why?
In a foreign country, people will assume you will be alone and in a weak position and thus not able to scam/harm anyone. In your own country, foreigners will assume you have accomplices and can scam/harm them easily.

As I said earlier, I would not have taken you up on your offer. And, I am Indian

Off topic - In the ladakh trip in 2007 - for the first two day trips we shared cab. For the lamayuru day trip we did not want to share cab. We wanted to be on our own. On the way to Lamayuru we saw many western tourists trying to hitch hike on our vehicle. We gave a lift to a guy part of the way. The guy was from Slovakia(as far as I remember). I would not have given a lift to a local guy.
On the journey back we did not pick up any of the hitch hikers. Guess I did not feel compassionate on the journey back
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Right Nayan! Only if there had been more people like you( Indians ) in Leh, I would have never walked upto foreigners in the first place.
Its because of skeptic people like YOU that most people have to pay for overpriced cabs, overpriced organised trips etc.

If an Indian cannot trust an Indian or an Indian is afraid of being scammed by a fellow Indian he doesn't deserve to be called an Indian .

We are Indians only because we grew up surviving all those scams and carpets and Rayban sellers and that is why all the others are foreigners.
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Originally Posted by travelmendak View Post Right Nayan! Only if there had been more people like you( Indians ) in Leh, I would have never walked upto foreigners in the first place.
Its because of skeptic people like YOU that most people have to pay for overpriced cabs, overpriced organised trips etc.

If an Indian cannot trust an Indian or an Indian is afraid of being scammed by a fellow Indian he doesn't deserve to be called an Indian .

We are Indians only because we grew up surviving all those scams and carpets and Rayban sellers and that is why all the others are foreigners.
Your post is contradictory in so many ways it's laughable.

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1. When I visited Ladakh in 2007 there were plenty of India tourists around.

2. Walking up to me(or my husband) would have done you no good. It would have been a different case if you were staying in the same hotel as we were and we had already met and interacted before you approached us with such an offer.

3. I do travel by cabs. I do not take organized tours. I do plenty of research before I travel because vacation days are precious. And, I do not like to travel in over crowded vehicles. So yes, I guess I am a cab operators dream as I prefer to hire a cab on my own and do not prefer to bargain a lot. I do not sweat over a few hundreds overcharged in a Rs 5000 day trip. So yes, guilty there.

3. I follow common sense precautions when I travel in India - same as when I travel out of India No comments on whether you think me Indian or not
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Originally Posted by NomadicBoo View Post Your post is contradictory in so many ways it's laughable.

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Boo what I mean is if Indians dont trust Indians then who will?
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Indians(and all other humans) trust others based on common sense threat perception. It has nothing to do with nationality.
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Originally Posted by nayan View Post 1. When I visited Ladakh in 2007 there were plenty of India tourists around.

2. Walking up to me(or my husband) would have done you no good. It would have been a different case if you were staying in the same hotel as we were and we had already met and interacted before you approached us with such an offer.

3. I do travel by cabs. I do not take organized tours. I do plenty of research before I travel because vacation days are precious. And, I do not like to travel in over crowded vehicles. So yes, I guess I am a cab operators dream as I prefer to hire a cab on my own and do not prefer to bargain a lot. I do not sweat over a few hundreds overcharged in a Rs 5000 day trip. So yes, guilty there.

3. I follow common sense precautions when I travel in India - same as when I travel out of India No comments on whether you think me Indian or not

Nayan this is so not about you! I was devastated by foreigners treating me and some friends as scamsters and I swear I never had any thoughts of walking upto you and your husband regardless of wether we were in the same hotel or not.!
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Originally Posted by travelmendak View Post ...I swear I never had any thoughts of walking upto you and your husband regardless of wether we were in the same hotel or not.!
So you prefer to walk up to strangers rather than check out possibilities among people who would be more inclined to know and trust you better?

Your strategy did not work it seems

My post was about why are you devastated by the way those strangers treated you?
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I recollect an instance. I was walking towards Gateway of India via SBS road. Near The Church of St. Andrew opp Lions Gate, I saw a couple of westerners looking a map in their hand and the signs on the road. After contemplating for some time I approached them and asked if I could help them. They said pointing at the map that they wanted to go to Kala Ghoda (Rhythm House). I gave them the direction and then walked away towards Gateway of India. After taking a few steps I again looked back and saw them standing over there looking at the map and the signs on the road again.

If I am with my family and approached by a family to share a cab then I may agree to share it. However if a couple of girls or boys approach I will certainly decline the offer.
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Originally Posted by travelmendak View Post Right Nayan! Only if there had been more people like you( Indians ) in Leh, I would have never walked upto foreigners in the first place.
Its because of skeptic people like YOU that most people have to pay for overpriced cabs, overpriced organised trips etc.

If an Indian cannot trust an Indian or an Indian is afraid of being scammed by a fellow Indian he doesn't deserve to be called an Indian .

We are Indians only because we grew up surviving all those scams and carpets and Rayban sellers and that is why all the others are foreigners.
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Originally Posted by travelmendak View Post Boo what I mean is if Indians dont trust Indians then who will?
Travelmendak - you started a thread asking why foreigners always do this? Do what exactly? Look after themselves? Be sensible? I'm sure if they got in a taxi with a stranger and were scammed/mugged/murdered you'd blame them for not being sensible!

You then infer foreigners are racist for not trusting Indians but say yourself, if you could, you wouldn't go up to foreigners? Hmmmm...slight double standard there.

You then blame Nayan for expensive cabs and trips because she excercised her right, as a paying customer, to have her own taxi and not share taxi and she's the problem Indians don't trust Indians?

It all smacks of hypocrisy to me. It seems unless it all works in your favour, exactly how you want it, then it's wrong.

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