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#16 Mar 12th, 2006, 22:05
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Hey! John's got a gardener. Let's all ask him for loans!

Rs50,000'll do me for starters.



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In my world and that of most Indians, a gardener is employed only by the severely wealthy. But then I am a Gandhian who prides herself on doing her own laundry, toilet cleaning, driving when possible, and so on.
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I always pay the money out to the taxi wallah so he and I can both see it and its value. Quite easy to do. Therefore there is no misunderstanding at all.

He is slightly turned in his drivers seat and I straddling the center of the back seat - start handing over bills & stating their value - he nodding and agreeing with each acceptance.

If the money is handed over, rolled and shoved into his hand like some sort of contraban or drug deal, then sooner or later there will be an opportunity for opportunists who have the ability to turn a quick slight of hand!!
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Thanks PeakXV, for getting the thread back on track after my pet peeve digression. :-)
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This happened to a friend I know (both of them localites) :-
He took an autorickshaw from Jehangir Hospital to Wanavadi when he handed a Rs. 50/- note to a rickshaw driver. When the rick stopped the driver took the money & gave back the change. But when he alighted & turned away from the rick, the driver called him & said he didn't have any Rs. 50/- from him. He got out of the vehicle, turned out all of his pockets & looked around on the ground. He searched the passenger's seat as well. The friend was however adamant, that he, the driver had handed over the change only after recieving the change. Just then, some prospective customers/passengers turned up & the driver said 'I suppose I'll leave it to my fate'. As he drove off, my friend couldn't help thinking that a note could be hidden ways in the vehicle.
Now read the same incident in a third way as one is reading without knowing any of the personalities then anything could be true:-
1. The passenger didn't give the money & the rickshaw driver was genuine.
2. The rickshaw driver is the one to have the loss as people always will take the passenger's side.
3. If taken to the police station, the rickshaw driver has more reason to be afraid as his rickshaw can be taken under one pretext or the other.

The passenger's viewpoint is given in the incident above. So in many of the incidents one really doesn't know what's going on. It's not a simple black & white. There are times the same things happen in shops due to huge crowds, sometimes the shop-owner gets short-changed or the public. Sometimes it's intentional & sometimes not (absent-mindedness). This also happens quite often in banks too even though the cashier checks the money twice/thrice. I've seen/experienced similiar things everywhere. One simply has to be alert in money-dealings.
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Surinder Singh, you played this scam on me. I remember your face so clearly, even though I was dead tired after arriving on an overnight train to Lokhmanya Tilak. You seemed like a nice guy on the way to Juhu, though: told me this and that about the scenery we passed, a few things about your family, and so on.

When I noticed you had changed my 500 rps note for a 100 rps note, I confronted you, and you swore on your mother and your god(s) that you had done no such thing. You're a lying bastard, Surinder. I was far too tired to put up a proper fight, and you made me feel like an ass for the rest of the day.

I've been waiting for a year for this rant. Maybe I could finally forgive you, Suru, but I suspect you're trying to pull a fast one on a tired traveller at this very moment, so I won't.
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Originally Posted by sirensongs But then I am a Gandhian who prides herself on doing her own laundry, toilet cleaning, driving when possible, and so on.
Aiiiyo! my irony meter just exploded. hot diggity damn, this country has shtloads of Gandhians, then.

Gandhi was there on a bar of soap and he just sort of bubbled away with the laundry dirt.
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Originally Posted by sirensongs ...I am a Gandhian who prides herself on doing her own laundry, toilet cleaning, driving when possible, and so on.
With so many unemployed people in India I feel I have a duty not to do my own laundry, gardening, etc.
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Originally Posted by john.sw With so many unemployed people in India I feel I have a duty not to do my own laundry, gardening, etc.

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In Delhi most of the auto drivers are from bihar & therein goes the 'Athiti Devo Bhava' campaign from our Rajasthan Minister
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Why do people always whimp out in these situations? If you know you're being cheated, find a cop. Write down the taxi's license number. Tell the driver firmly that you are going to report his treachery immediately unless he gives you the correct change. If you do have to report it, your word will ALWAYS trump that of the driver. As a foreign tourist, you can NEVER LOSE the battle of wills IF you are willing to stand up for yourself.

This is as true in India as it is in New York or anywhere else. Taxis are licenses and regulated. Penalties for cheating the public are enforced. Once you make it clear that you are actually willing to fight the battle, the driver will concede--he wants no part of the hassle that will come with police involvement, his employer, time lost, etc.
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problems with change

I found quite often that people such as auto-rickshaw or taxi drivers as well as some shopkeepers seemed reluctant to give change. They may have been hoping I'd give up and just let them keep the change. While the change is trivial to a tourist, no-one likes being played for a mug.

Once, I gave an auto driver the address of my hotel and we agreed a price of 50 rupees. But he couldn't find the hotel, and we drove arouind for ages looking for it, till eventually we did find the address. He asked for 100 rupees because of all the driving around - I took the view that having read the address, he had the responsibility to know where it was. I refused to pay more than the agreed 50 rupees, gave him that, then a 20 rupees tip for at least sticking at it till we found it. He seemed content and honour was satisfied on both sides.

The hotel hadn't received my booking and was full, but they found me somewhere else to stay so it had a happy ending!

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Originally Posted by Merchant Why do people always whimp out in these situations? If you know you're being cheated, find a cop. Write down the taxi's license number. Tell the driver firmly that you are going to report his treachery immediately unless he gives you the correct change. If you do have to report it, your word will ALWAYS trump that of the driver. As a foreign tourist, you can NEVER LOSE the battle of wills IF you are willing to stand up for yourself.

This is as true in India as it is in New York or anywhere else. Taxis are licenses and regulated. Penalties for cheating the public are enforced. Once you make it clear that you are actually willing to fight the battle, the driver will concede--he wants no part of the hassle that will come with police involvement, his employer, time lost, etc.
two things first , I got an email asking about the 'Atiti Devo Bhava' campaign. I don't know whether it qualifies as a scam or not but is a campaign by Rajasthan Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje who also holds the portfolio of Minister of State for Tourism. Literally it means 'Guest is god' & the idea being that the standards are made better in tourism. I think last yr. only the tourism industry got an industry status. They're waiting for an infrastructure as well as the FDI policies to start investing in more infrastructure.
Merchant: There are 2 sides of the coin there, more often than not the Taxi driver is part of the Taxi Union. It's also likely that the cop may himself be corrupt. Your saying that the tourist word will always trump the driver. How's he/she going to have people on her side? If he/she knows hindi then something can be said otherwise people would be more interested in seeing the 'tamasha' (the show) rather than coming forward & helping. I don't want to blow down the enthusiasm & the correct procedure which u have told. The only issue from my side is that the implementation of things in reality might not be the same.
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My point is just that you wouldn't stand for such treatment at home--why would you put up with it in India? No one, not the trade unions nor the corrupt cops, wants the hassle of dealing with a foreign tourist in a row with a cabbie. The cabbie always loses, and if you call his bluff you'll probably get your correct change.
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Originally Posted by Merchant My point is just that you wouldn't stand for such treatment at home--why would you put up with it in India? No one, not the trade unions nor the corrupt cops, wants the hassle of dealing with a foreign tourist in a row with a cabbie. The cabbie always loses, and if you call his bluff you'll probably get your correct change.
Merchant,
possibly u didn't read my profile. I'm an native, Indian. Believe me when I tell u no one wants to deal with the cops. I'll share with u a narrative/incident which happened recently(about 6-7 months back) with little bit of background info.
Few years back there had been few thefts in the up-beat Kpk (Koregaon Park, Pune) area & hence more police had been posted & doing the rounds. The positive which was prominently shown in electronic media as well as newspapers showed that some drugs were busted as well as illegal aliens which were living even though there visas had expired. One doesn't know the individual cases so one can't comment.
This happened to a dear dear friend. They were a couple from Europe (France) who had come to Pune with their daughter (around 15 or something). Sometimes in the evenings they used to come to their terrace, sometimes in the nude to enjoy the view/nature. One of the S.I. 's or P.S.I.'s was the voyueristic type & he used to watch the couple everyday. Then at some point in time the guy assaulted/molested the daughter. As I know quite a few feminist as well as human rights organizations asked them to intervene. Even though couple the organizations said they'll give their full support & even talked to the couple. After understanding the implications as well as the troubles they would have to go through they decided to change locations, simple as that.




Another one, this happened about 10-15 years back when my transistor/radio was stolen. We managed to nab the thief. Till that time the radio was good. Although we did get the radio back but it took almost 6 months, 10-15 times rounds of the police station & the radio never worked when we got it back. I can recount no. of incidents seen & heard in friends/relatives & neighbours. Would u want u'r start of journey to be in the police station?




As far as the cabbies are concerned, atleast in mumbai have seen that, if he's a member of a union, then whether he's right or wrong they all stand by him. There have been no. of strikes which used to happen because of the taxi union. They still have a strong say over the city alongwith the trade unions.
My advice, be very cool & assured. If u're cool even though he's the angry one, the possibility of engagement goes down with respect to time.
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