Shocking Brutality at Bangalore Railway Station

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#16 Oct 7th, 2005, 05:14
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Good Story
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the beating and the bakshish of 15,000 wouldn't be an appropriate answer,
Interestingly it was a "V Srinivas" that suggested that the victim pay the money..
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He, claiming to be V Srinivas from Infosys, talked to the officials
and the railway police in Kannada. He told me that the only way I was to
get out was if I was willing to pay my way through.
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He withdrew Rs. 15000 from my ATM and got back. he took the cash under the pretext that while helping me he had left his wallet in the train he had left behind and that he would return the same through his ICICI Internet account. Having broken down mentally I
did not realise that I was being cheated. He then took me to a Samsung showroom and tried purchasing a cellphone worth Rs. 18500 with my card. It was only then that I realised what was happening. I grabbed my card back, caught him by the collar, snatched my cash that lay in his pocket, and got into a running auto.
The victim never paid the cops any money.
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Originally Posted by srisri He told me that the only way I was to
get out was if I was willing to pay my way through. Being in no state to
make a rational choice, I gave him my ATM card and pin. He took one of the
RPF chaps along with him and said he would clear the matter. He returned
some time later saying that everything was okay now.
And from this segment you do not gather that Mr Srinivas was somehow involved with the cops? Why did Srinivas and one of the RPF chaps take off with HIS ATM card and pin? Why would an 'honest' railway cop go along with a guy who takes the ATM card of a person who "does not have a railway ticket". Obviously, the Srinivas fellow and the railway dudes were in on this together. How can you suggest the cops had nothing to do with this and it was only Srinivas who was in on the money??

It seems like you think police men are real do-good'ers over there in India...and that a situation like this is highly unlikely...hmm...
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Its sad if this really happened the way its described.

Its sadder to have to wonder about the standards of premier management schools in India nowadays. I can understand this happening to someone from a village coming to a big city, possibly uneducated (or nervous) - they are easy targets of scams.

To think that an IIM Grad can fall for something like this , unless as CRVLR pointed out - there are other angles of the incident which are so far unknown,.................
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Originally Posted by Paagla Dashu Its sad if this really happened the way its described.

Its sadder to have to wonder about the standards of premier management schools in India nowadays. I can understand this happening to someone from a village coming to a big city, possibly uneducated (or nervous) - they are easy targets of scams.

To think that an IIM Grad can fall for something like this , unless as CRVLR pointed out - there are other angles of the incident which are so far unknown,.................
I think that anyone who is - if we believe the description - been battered in such a way, with his glasses being crushed, his phone been flung away...will do anything to make the situation stop. I am not sure if it has got to do with being educated or not. Say for instance a robber points a gun at your head and asks you for your ATM card and pin. I think in a situation like that you are just too scared to do anything but give him your card and exact Pin number!!
No matter what your IQ is...
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Originally Posted by Priyamav I think that anyone who is - if we believe the description - been battered in such a way, with his glasses being crushed, his phone been flung away...will do anything to make the situation stop..
Agree....but I think, unless the guy has not told us the "other" version of the story (in which he did not bother to purchase a platform ticket like many others and became offensive when caught), he fell for the trap when he allowed himself to be pushed into an enquiry room.

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On my way out I was asked to present my platform ticket by a railway
official. On producing the same, the TT turned around and told me "What if
I say that you haven't given me the ticket?" Before I could react, he along
with his colleague pushed me into the adjacent enquiry cabin and physically
manhandled me.

An "enquiry cabin" adjacent to the exit from a station? I have not been to Bangalore Railway station after 1998 but I have never seen any kind of room next to station exits - normally these places are crowded and the rooms in a station tend to be situated away from the exits.

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Originally Posted by Priyamav .............................. .......................
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The point I was trying to make is that this sort of behavior from police in India is not uncommon. Things like this happen all the time. So when reading this story with knowing that, all I am saying is that this story is not hard to believe. Even if maybe the 'beating'-part is exagerated...this kind of thing is quite 'normal' in India...



"Things like this happen all the time."

- I have spent 35 years of my life in India and have travelled the length and breadth of the country. I have never heard/read/learnt of any incident when an educated, urban person has been hauled up on "false" charges of not possessing a platform ticket and has been manhandled. For me, at least, this is a first.

I will be quite interested in knowing what goes to show "things like this happen all the time".
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Originally Posted by Priyamav The point I was trying to make is that this sort of behavior from police in India is not uncommon.
That maybe true for policemen from state police forces in the North of India but not for the Indian Railways employees. Contrary to what you may have heard and read about them, the fact remains that employees of the Indian Railways are after the Indian Defence forces very professional in their behaviour with the public and there is a reason for this. The salary and benefits of Indian rail employees is second to none in India.

Even if one were to accept that the employees in question mistreated this person, it is normally very rare for even corrupt government officials to act in that manner with "upper class" Indians who can be readily identified by their clothes and the way they carry themselves.
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Originally Posted by Paagla Dashu "Things like this happen all the time." I have spent 35 years of my life in India and have travelled the length and breadth of the country. I have never heard/read/learnt of any incident when an educated, urban person has been hauled up on "false" charges of not possessing a ticket and has been manhandled. For me, at least, this is a first.
A first for me too.
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Originally Posted by Paagla Dashu An "enquiry cabin" adjacent to the exit from a station? I have not been to Bangalore Railway station after 1998 but I have never seen any kind of room next to station exits - normally these places are crowded and the rooms in a station tend to be situated away from the exits.



"Things like this happen all the time."

- I have spent 35 years of my life in India and have travelled the length and breadth of the country. I have never heard/read/learnt of any incident when an educated, urban person has been hauled up on "false" charges of not possessing a platform ticket and has been manhandled. For me, at least, this is a first.
yes, there is a cabin there, a makeshift one. Whether the chap could have been pressurised there is debateable.


As for the second part, if you're talking about Railways alone, "maybe" true.

But if you want brazenness on the part of the government, take a look at this

http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1804/18041170.htm

Sordid & it's still going on.

& there is the story of the indian nuclear scientist who was /illegally/ detained for 5 years. only a habeas corpus filing from his wife, released him.
The reason, he said the BARC designed nuclear submarine propulsion had some major flaws. and some people didn't like it.

He was arrested while flying to the US with his own PhD thesis which wasn't classified. his PhD thesis was reviewed by the late Raja Ramanna.

After his release he was the strongest critic of the DAE which he know how it ignored safety standards.

(I cant remember his name and am googleing for it, shall post it whn I get it)

There are lots more.

In this case, the apparent brazenness is what surprises most people. It doesn't surprise me that it happened.

Going by the Lok Ayuktha raids(raids on Gov. officials here in Karnataka), it is /surprising/ that there aren't many cases being reported.
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I guess we'll just have to wait the outcome of this story. Still, I find it hard to believe that this guy is making the whole thing up, involving police, media and railway officials. I guess I would tend to give him the benefit of the doubt, as justice is often hard to find in India and here's a guy that got his story to the papers, is invited by the railway police chief to do an identification parade, etc.

From my experiences in India, stories I have heard, this type of police brutality, EVEN for railway police, is not uncommon.
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Originally Posted by Priyamav I guess we'll just have to wait the outcome of this story. Still, I find it hard to believe that this guy is making the whole thing up, involving police, media and railway officials. I guess I would tend to give him the benefit of the doubt, as justice is often hard to find in India and here's a guy that got his story to the papers, is invited by the railway police chief to do an identification parade, etc.

From my experiences in India, stories I have heard, this type of police brutality, EVEN for railway police, is not uncommon.
The benefit of doubt goes to the victim. But what the hell was he doing......ATM.....Cash withdrawal......Samsung Showroom.....dash in an auto....reads like a thriller........
Perhaps any acquaintence of his could get in touch with the victim and enlighten us?
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Originally Posted by Priyamav From my experiences in India, stories I have heard, this type of police brutality, EVEN for railway police, is not uncommon.
Portrayed too often in Bollywood movies.
Whoever said money can't buy happiness didn't know where to shop !
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It seems this story was on NDTV too. It seems the Railways suspended Four RPF officers and two TTEs on 5 Oct 2005.

This site also mentions the event and even gives advise on how to keep a low profile at the Bangalore rail station.
http://www.sumankumar.com/2005/10/ba...on-beware.html

On several forums I've been reading about similar (although less extreme) experiences. It seems they mainly target North Indians, especially 'earstern-asian'-looking ones. And they specifically look for signs on people who work for 'techie'-companies (badges, etc.) as they are most likely to have cash in the bank account.

In any case, whether this story is exagerated or not, it seems this particular Bangalore Railway Station is known for more than a few incidents involving 'railway officials'.
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Mr Andani's blog for more of the "story": http://sbcbrutes.blogspot.com/

It's his blog, describing the events after the brutalities at the railways...
Maybe the sceptics should read it and see if they still think he's full of crap...
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It's actually amazing what this guy did! By using his networks he got his e-mail out all over the web and got all media in on it. All sorts of blogs and yahoo groups tell his story. (just google "bangalore brutalities"). He got calls from all over India, even USA, UK and Russia. People helping out with tips, leads to get in contact with, etc. And within a week's time 6 people at the Bangalore railway get suspended (and hopefully a more thorough inspection will get on its way).

The short period in which this occured is amazing for India. Within a week action was taken.! Justice in India... (well...let's see what happens next )
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