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#91
| Senior Member

Originally posted by: Nick-H View Post

Quite right... And this is supposed to be progress! Sad, isn't it [cry]?


Sad and frightening and it is being expected that this will shape the future of humankind. Nurture your demand, greed, intolerance, and values? huh age old trash. Dont worry be happy...
#92
| Loud Noisy Bird
On the positive side (hey, there has to be one!) I see young children from poor backgrounds getting educations, even if they are sometimes reliant on charity and sponsors. Children of domestic servants are going to join some profession like nursing or technical. I think there is some flexibility that may not have been there a short time ago, at least in the cities. One reads of stuff from the villages like families being ostracised because they try to do better for themselves by stepping outside their traditional profession ---- but hey, I'm trying to be positive here.
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#93
| Senior Member
Yes that is Progress, real progress. Progress in positive direction.
#94
| Professional cynic
Anyone care to recommend a good book that explains the caste system from a historical/sociological/religious perspective and is unbiased or treats the different points of view?
"It is preferable to have a criminal for a servant rather than a fool because a criminal's actions are predictable and you can protect yourself against them, whereas there is no telling what a fool's next move will be.
#95
| Maha Guru Member

Originally posted by: dillichaat View Post

Anyone care to recommend a good book that explains the caste system from a historical/sociological/religious perspective and is unbiased or treats the different points of view?
Palatable or not, some say that at least in that nomenclature everyone had a hereditary job.
#96
| Search, be your own guru

Originally posted by: dillichaat View Post

Anyone care to recommend a good book that explains the caste system from a historical/sociological/religious perspective and is unbiased or treats the different points of view?
There are two forums in IndiaMike where we can discuss this. Religion in India in Masala Chai and Chat, and Yoga, Spirituality, and Religion in India. Ask a question there. I will join you. Wikipedia is good for initial information.
Truly that Dharma is the Truth (Satya); Therefore, when a man speaks the Truth, they say, "He speaks the Dharma"; and if he speaks Dharma, they say, "He speaks the Truth!" For both are one. - Brihadaranyak Upanishad
#97
| Search, be your own guru

Originally posted by: Nick-H View Post

I'm trying to be positive here.
You can be positive not just try to. Education for weaker sections of the society is totally free, students are provided books, bags, dress, mid-day meals, scholarships. At higher levels there is at least 50% reservation for weaker sections (and of course, scholarships), hostel accommodation, special tuitions. After studies, there are reservations in jobs. Soon, they may make school education compulsory for all people. At least in Tamilnadu, these weaker sections have done better than the higher castes. India is on the move.
Truly that Dharma is the Truth (Satya); Therefore, when a man speaks the Truth, they say, "He speaks the Dharma"; and if he speaks Dharma, they say, "He speaks the Truth!" For both are one. - Brihadaranyak Upanishad
#98
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Originally posted by: Paleface View Post

Palatable or not, some say that at least in that nomenclature everyone had a hereditary job.
There would always be rich and poor. Hinduism did not want all people to be in the race for riches, but find satisfaction in whatever they were doing. If they did that well, it got them merit. Material progress was not the main criteria. Money matters were reserved for Vaishyas (Banias) but they had the duty to support all other sections of the society. Brahmins, Kshatriyas (except the Royal family), and Shudras were all poor.
Truly that Dharma is the Truth (Satya); Therefore, when a man speaks the Truth, they say, "He speaks the Dharma"; and if he speaks Dharma, they say, "He speaks the Truth!" For both are one. - Brihadaranyak Upanishad
#99
| Search, be your own guru

Originally posted by: Paleface View Post

Palatable or not, some say that at least in that nomenclature everyone had a hereditary job.
There would always be rich and poor. Hinduism did not want all people to be in the race for riches, but find satisfaction in whatever they were doing. If they did that well, it got them merit. Material progress was not the main criteria. Money matters were reserved for Vaishyas (Banias) but they had the duty to support all other sections of the society. Brahmins, Kshatriyas (except the Royal family), and Shudras were all poor.
Truly that Dharma is the Truth (Satya); Therefore, when a man speaks the Truth, they say, "He speaks the Dharma"; and if he speaks Dharma, they say, "He speaks the Truth!" For both are one. - Brihadaranyak Upanishad
#100
| Loud Noisy Bird
You can be positive not just try to. Education for weaker sections of the society is totally free...
Thanks, Aupmanyav.

There is another side to that coin, of course, in that reservation has harmed the prospects of "higher" castes --- who are now demanding reservation for their caste too. Reservation, in itself, is a hot issue, and I have met non-brahmins who are absolutely against it.

For me, there is a kind of irony: I hated the expensive education that my parents went without stuff to buy me, and was, by-and-large, and academic failure, But now I love to see the little ones, who are mostly really serious, even at early ages, about their schooling.
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Life gets aadhar every day.
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#101
| Search, be your own guru
The higher castes have generally resigned to it and trying harder to be able to face the situation. That way higher castes will produce even better candidates. Adversity is a blessing in disguise. It makes the other castes not trying enough which is to their detriment. Otherwise also, the system perpetuates castes. When the Supreme Court asked the government if they could make the reservations on basis of economic status, the government refused, saying that reservations will only be by caste. If they do not do that, how will they get votes in elections?
Truly that Dharma is the Truth (Satya); Therefore, when a man speaks the Truth, they say, "He speaks the Dharma"; and if he speaks Dharma, they say, "He speaks the Truth!" For both are one. - Brihadaranyak Upanishad

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