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#16
| Naan.tering Nabob

Originally posted by: namaste_cat View Post

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Riiight. And that's specific to India, is it!? I get really tired of the India-bashing. I'm all for not looking at it through rose-colored glasses, but some balance would be nice. :dontgetit



Do I say it was? Why don't you get nadreg to install a disclaimer that states that any scam mentioned on this website & happens in India may also happen in other countries as well.

File it in the 'Department of Redundancy' subsection. That ought to appease the more 'sensitive' members when it comes to discussing the necessary & more warty side of India travel.

...bashing?:dontgetit
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#17
| 10 yrs in India
India is the way it is (and the way we love it) because it is largely unregulated, or government regulations that exist do not work well. If you want these people off the street, then consider the way it is in Singapore. That is the other extreme. India does not have much of a sustainable future** in the long run, so it's not going to be much longer the way it is now. All I can do is to see the positive side of what is positive about it now, and diversity and unregulatedness is part of that.

** water, climate change, pollution, hunger, poverty etc
#18
| Account Closed

Originally posted by: jeraboa View Post



Am I very lucky or is it that those who have been scammed and have had problems with touts are more vocal, which I guess would make me part of a silent majority.


I think that's exactly the case, they are simply more vocal. That's how good businesses get bad names - thanks to a few very unhappy customers. I've been to India two times (a few months ago for 5 months and now planning to stay for a year) and also so far really nothing bad has happened. The only bad experience I had was nearly drowning in river ganges due to inexperienced river rafting leader.
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#19
| Professional cynic

Originally posted by: atala View Post

India is the way it is (and the way we love it) because it is largely unregulated, or government regulations that exist do not work well. If you want these people off the street, then consider the way it is in Singapore. That is the other extreme.


So is Afghanistan, Pakistan and a slew of African countries that I wouldn't exactly call shining examples. India's not on that level and hopefully will never get there. Speaking only for myself, beggar-wise I prefer the situation such as it is in Singapore (although even there there are some beggars -or rather, paper handkerchief sellers- on the streets.

Originally posted by: capt_mahajan View Post

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Ah, but they ask in English with the right accent and all, so that's all right.

The bad rep is because of where it happens, not because of what happens. One can't walk down certain heavily touristed areas around the world without being solicited by everybody from hookers to drug dealers, but that is fine. A brown baby, a glass of milk and thou, that is a no-no. :rolleyes:


(Same with sexual harrassment. It appears that having your parts pinched by an Italian is romantic, while with an Indian it is digusting- all parts being equal.)


It's true that you find scammers everywhere, but nowhere where I've lived so far have I come into contact with them with the same frequency as in India nor are they as pernicious. And as was said, if you walk around Times Square, NYC as a tourist you're hardly likely to be besieged like here in more or less every tourist spot. My wife would make the same remark about harassment, btw.
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#20
| In charge, navel affairs
The numbers of touts and beggars that swarm over foreigners is high in India, sure; not sure if I would add scammers to the 'high' list. To me, a person making up a story to wheedle a hundred bucks (buck= rupee) out of a foreigner is a beggar, not a scammer.

It is also true that a beggar in India seems more distasteful to many foriegners than a beggar in their home countries, and so on as in my last post. Perhaps it is what one is used to; the unknown always seems more threatening or annoying. As an Indian, I have never felt threatened (annoyed, often) by beggars, touts, small time scammers; I have often felt that way abroad, including in the so called developed countries, where there are sometimes other reasons too, for being worried- to do with threat to life or limb.
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#21
| Clueless

Originally posted by: capt_mahajan View Post


(Same with sexual harrassment. It appears that having your parts pinched by an Italian is romantic, while with an Indian it is digusting- all parts being equal.)


Italians have had practice and made it an art form. While desis are still learning, Khushwant Singh aside ;)

Originally posted by: dillichaat View Post

And as was said, if you walk around Times Square, NYC as a tourist you're hardly likely to be besieged like here in more or less every tourist spot.


Times Sq. few decades ago was a place no tourist (gringo or otherwise) ventured after dark. Today, Times Square has more cops than some countries have in their entire force. ;) When tourists tell they got robbed in NYC, I tell them don't worry I got too... by the boys on Wall St. :D
#22
| 10 yrs in India

Originally posted by: dillichaat View Post

, beggar-wise I prefer the situation such as it is in Singapore (although even there there are some beggars -or rather, paper handkerchief sellers- on the streets.


That is actually a development that I can appreciate too. In Pondy I saw ladies with babies selling small decorative cloth-bags instead of begging. They found out it is easier to get 20 Rupees for something worth maybe 50 paise, than by begging only. An advantage for the buyer is, once he bought one he can show it to other sellers: "hey, I already got one!"

By buying one I know I am overpaying it, but it is a transaction with a beginning and an end, and both parties are respected. That is something I like to support, like also with shoe-shine boys, or those sweepers that come thru trains and then ask a donation.
#23
| Maha Guru Member
[QUOTE=capt_mahajan;1254486]The numbers of touts and beggars that swarm over foreigners is high in India, sure; not sure if I would add scammers to the 'high' list. To me, a person making up a story to wheedle a hundred bucks (buck= rupee) out of a foreigner is a beggar, not a scammer. QUOTE]

Couldn't disagree with this more.

Just because it's only a few hundred rupees to you doesn't mean it's not a weeks wages to the scammer.

It's the equivalent of me scamming £500 off a rich tourist from the UAE in London and people wouldn't call that begging!

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#24
| In charge, navel affairs
I said a hundred bucks and not a few hundred, so that 500 GBP thing does not apply.

Of course, you can say that even a hundred rupees expectation is a scam. And of course, I will disagree- creative begging, maybe? :) A scam, to me, is something that implies cheating. A beggar does not cheat; s/he works on your pity.
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#25
| Clueless

Originally posted by: NomadicBoo View Post


It's the equivalent of me scamming £500 off a rich tourist from the UAE in London and people wouldn't call that begging!

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