Locks on my Pack?

#16 Sep 1st, 2005, 22:30
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as for top-loading bags, i went to the local fabric shop in america and got one of those little hole punchers. i don't know the appropriate terminology for this, but they can be used to make little holes in your pack and they secure a metal ring around the hole so that it doesn't rip and can be locked.

so, my top-loading bags have about 6 self-punched holes, and then one travel lock that is small, yet has a big area to hook, can lock secure all 6 holes together, making the top secure. it works like a charm!

as for chains, buy one that is thinner and that takes minimal space when not used. don't go for the cable style that is bulky and not as easy to manage.

i like to take a regular american-style combo padlock with me. always better to not have to depend upon a key. (wow, the google ad words are showing "the padlock source" on this page for me! seems you can get your american or master lock on-line too, if you are too lazy to go to the nearest shop).

i always carry a small pack with me that can fit into the larger one when needed, but can be taken out so that my valuables can also be my pillow. a laptop and small camera can be a wonderful pillow on a train if you pad the top of the bag with something soft and fluffy (a fleece shirt, a towel). and, you'll sleep so much better with your goodies under your head, rather than down below.
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I thought about using some of these packlocks for when my bike sits out in the open while I eat etc., but 'm not going to. When I travel in North America including Central America where they'll rob you blind. I try to use common sense and leave my gear where I can see it. I wouldn't feel respectful to local people using these devices, I would feel like a scared westerner

How can I hire a Sherpa who may very well help save my life if I come on as someone who is afraid his people will steal from me.
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Originally Posted by livin-in-india as for top-loading bags, i went to the local fabric shop in america and got one of those little hole punchers. i don't know the appropriate terminology for this, but they can be used to make little holes in your pack and they secure a metal ring around the hole so that it doesn't rip and can be locked.

so, my top-loading bags have about 6 self-punched holes, and then one travel lock that is small, yet has a big area to hook, can lock secure all 6 holes together, making the top secure. it works like a charm!
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Great idea for securing top-loaders, livin -- those rings are called 'grommets'
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MeCasa, from the local's point-of-view here in India, you'd be an absolute fool to not secure everything heavily. They don't take it personally, it isn't an issue of you not trusting them, it is simply wise to lock-up everything here. If you want the locals to really react to you, leave your stuff unlocked or under-secured. They will jump on you and tell you (demand at times) that you secure your stuff more.

Drop the issues of how you'd look in their eyes. They aren't here to judge you. The house next to mine leaves the outdoor lights on all night and has two security guards (one for the front, one for the back) on duty 24-hours a day. You think you'll look like you are overdoing it with a decent lock. Never!
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Originally Posted by livin-in-india MeCasa, from the local's point-of-view here in India, you'd be an absolute fool to not secure everything heavily. They don't take it personally, it isn't an issue of you not trusting them, it is simply wise to lock-up everything here. If you want the locals to really react to you, leave your stuff unlocked or under-secured. They will jump on you and tell you (demand at times) that you secure your stuff more.

Drop the issues of how you'd look in their eyes. They aren't here to judge you. The house next to mine leaves the outdoor lights on all night and has two security guards (one for the front, one for the back) on duty 24-hours a day. You think you'll look like you are overdoing it with a decent lock. Never!
Very true. Locals use locks on their bikes. Many years ago when I used to ride bikes in India I remember them having a factory lock near the front forks. It is not uncommon or a big issue to lock a bike in India.
#21 Sep 2nd, 2005, 07:47
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I made an account just so I could reply to this...
you should DEFINITELY lock your bags before going to India.
why? just in case your bags get delayed, especially if you have a tenuous flight connection somewhere where your bags have a very short time to make it from one flight to the next. when you get your bags 2 days later in India, they may be looted by people delivering them to you. this happened to a good friend of mine -- lost a lot of gifts for the locals unfortunately. she kept her bags unlocked due to the whole TSA thing (flying from texas to california first). I hear that there's a way to actually be present when the TSA inspects your bags, then you can lock them up again? hmm, who knows.
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This thread bothers me more than any other thread I've read. How many people actually get robbed before they pick up their bags. How in the heck can I secure mountain gear while itís in the airline's possession?

I was under the impression that there was very little thievery in India. If I lose my gear I might as well turn around and go home because you canít replace that kind of gear in India.

Would it be safer shipping UPS, I doubt their employees steal.
#23 Sep 2nd, 2005, 09:03
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your mountain equipment should be of no importance to those people...
just things like cologne, pens/pencils/stationery/gift items/chocolates/ that sort of thing. and that, too, is only a problem if you've got your bags unlocked... and if they're delayed.
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MeCasa, India has a very large population, there are opportunists in all countries. Consider that in 30 mins 200 people may walk past your gear and one person may eye it for its resale value. In another country it may take a whole day for that many people to walk past, but 10 may have been overly interested in your gear. It is the same old story, its a numbers game and due to the volume of traffic the thieves may come by quicker as it is easier to work in busy situations.

An old story goes like this, take your camel into the desert, bang a stake into the ground, tie the leg of the camel to the stake and before retiring to bed pray to Allah that He will protect the camel from thieves or storms.

So far in all of my trips to India when I have used soft luggage I use the nylon pull locking ties through the zipper holes and always carry about 20 with me for re-securing. If they are good enough for the cops to use as hand cuffs then my zippers wont get away. Really locking the zippers are just that, not really securing the contents as the slash and grab works either way.

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Great idea for securing top-loaders, livin -- those rings are called 'grommets'
I think they are called eyelets as grommets are normally rubber and eyelets are the rings pressed into canvas etc.
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mira4bai4, I travel a lot with my gear and I'm not worried about the gear once I take possession at the airport. I only started worrying when people in the thread started talking about luggage being rifled when it's in the airlines possession. I pack my gear in heavy-duty cardboard boxes and once I drop it off at the airport it is out of my control. However, I'm not going to worry, I need to trust the airlines, I have no other choice and I believe it's safe.

Hehe, I spend a lot of time in Costa Rica and they'll steal your gold fillings while your talking, and I still have most of my fillings, so I'll be OK.

Haha, nobody will rob me, remember, I got a knife

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#26 Sep 7th, 2005, 03:21
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lock questions from a psyched neophyte

OK, so I am spending five weeks in Ladakh and Garhwal trekking (I leave on Sept. 12) and a total of about five days in Delhi.
Really, the big place I think about is Delhi. So I sprang for a PacSafe and a PacSafe waistpack. As a newbie to India, I am psyched to know that the wiseguys will have to cut my belongings off me with a wirecutter if they want them. Although I'm not sure why anyone would want some old polypro...
Anyhow, if I use a TSA lock when flying from the States, can I affix it to my carry-on luggage AFTER they scan it in Denver? Will I get scanned and searched again in my connection point in London? Are there any places or times when airport personnel are more likely to try and open the lock?
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okay, breathe deeply now. there is no security emergency in this world.

a simple travel lock is fine to keep sticky fingers at bay on the airplane. your carry-on needs nothing.

when you arrive in the indian airport, after you clear customs, you stop, lock up, and walk into india with no concerns.

it will be fine. (fill the belly with air on inhalation, and feel the sweet release of the exhale, as the muscles in your diaphragm relax)

and to answers your questions. you can of course put a lock on your carry-on bag at any time. did you mean can you lock your checked baggage after inspection? yes, i always do. and they won't check your checked baggage again in london.

if you want to talk with my brother in boulder who has traveled a lot, including to india once, sent me a private message, and i'll give you his contact info.

just don't worry. low security is fine until you walk outside of the delhi airport, then your knee deep in india and i assume you will freak out a bit. but that will be fine too. just go back to the breath.
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just don't worry. low security is fine until you walk outside of the delhi airport, then your knee deep in india and i assume you will freak out a bit
my sister had stuff stolen out of her bag on an american airlines frlight from Chicago to LA. -- yes the bag was locked. and they even left a note saying, the bag was opened for "security reasons". yeah right.. looks like the fear of terrorism has given the authorities the license to steal. $hit happens everywhere. depends on how unlucky you are.
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yes, shit can happen anywhere. yet it is nothing to worry about. carry your valuables with you on the plane, and relax. if something is stolen, it is stolen. things come and they go... a lesson on non-attachment!

the cost of defending everything fully takes a huge mental, emotional, and physical toll on your health. act wisely, and worry not if your system fails. as the indigo girls once sang: "it is only life after all."
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We always travel with rucksacks. Unless we're carrying them on our backs (not that often unless we're in the forest) we stick them in old ex-army kitbags with the top secured with a padlock. Not bulletproof (or knifeproof, of course) but makes them look pretty uninteresting, keeps oil / other crap off the rucksacks when on buses / boats etc, stops straps and other bits getting damaged on planes and even allows you to secure the bag to something fixed (or the roof rack on buses) with the strap. Those of you who only travel with a maximum of 5 kilos will probably not like this idea.

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