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#166 Oct 14th, 2013, 06:10
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But what happened to the ticket you had? Was it not fully refundable?
It might be news to you, oist tickets are non refundable. That means you don't get your money back at all. If you are a no show, you can forget about the whole thing. If you contact the airline before departure, you can get credit for unused portion of the ticket, which can be applied to purchase of another fare, which might be more or less than what you had paid.
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Originally Posted by DrRudi View Post I need to know the name of your bank - because I don't want my financial institution taking action on the say-so of a third party.
When you report fraudulent use of a credit card, the standard procedure is for the bank to cancel the card and issue you a new one. It's common sense really.
So you my responses are useful for people who did not know information which is common knowledge or common sense.

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Originally Posted by RWeHavingFunYet View Post Do you think it is possible for you to fall in love with another person like the one who is helping you or with someone else, where you are now? Then the whole story becomes totally romantic and there is a good chance it could be made into a hit movie like “It happened One Night.” (photo source: wikipedia)

There is a Bollywood version called "Chori Chori" with Raj Kapur and Nargis. When I watched "It Happened one Night", I knew right away where "Chori Chori" came from.

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And to the person who said I can't get western union money from the police. Really?! I thought the police handed out money daily (note sarcasm). Obviously I had to go the police in one area, then walk (or take a taxi) to Western Union.
Ignore such people and such comments that drew the above response from you. The person seems to have made up their ind that the know everything and misinterpreted your comment.

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Originally Posted by 4theloveofindia View Post I had questions about the police (people here don't seem to trust them). I read the embassy emergency part of the website, it stated what to do when you have no money in India (contact family) and had help for victims of violent crime. The crime wasn't violent (no murder, robbery etc.) So at the time I figured, what good are they going to do? Contact my family? I am doing that via the internet and telling them what is going on.
Keep this in mind. Embassy performs many functions, but know that rescuing people from scams of the kind you got into is not one of them. I couldn't believe how many people suggested that you contact the Embassy. In your situation, you could do yourself what Embassy would have helped you do. It's faster that way.
This is internet. People will give you all kinds of advice, some useful, some outright useless. Some will blame you. It doesn't help to blame the victim even if they were stupid. There is plenty of time for retrospection.
Unfortunately, too many people even, on IM, dispense bad advice. You have ot live with it. One person I have run into here seems to be in the habit of giving bad advice again, and again, again. It can't be helped. You take all the advice you get and use your common sense t decide what works for you. It can be more hindrance than help when you have to respond to interrogations as if you were the criminal, and sort out wrong or bad counsel from good.

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Originally Posted by 4theloveofindia View Post II highly doubt the embassy would have paid for a ticket out of this area and if they did where would I go? Do they have beds for broke foreigners?
The embassy will not pay for your ticket. No, they also don't have beds for broke foreigners. They can give you a list of hotels though.
If the Embassy started proving accommodation for their citizens in another country, they might inadvertently end up harbouring criminals
It's not just you, who can learn something from this incident, many posters here can too, including those who gave WRONG advice, and those who doubted your story, which was incoherent for understandable reasons, can learn from your experience.
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Originally Posted by 4theloveofindia View Post Not sure why I feel the need to justify myself at this point? I guess part of it is I'm not a liar and part of it is, if this happens to anyone else, I would want you all to help him / her with answers to their questions.
You don't have to justify yourself. No one is forced to help you. If they don't want to believe you, they don't have to respond. I don't get this compulsion people have, to respond to you if they don't want to believe your story, respond with bad advice, or question perfectly actions of the bank in cancelling that card. Ignore people like that It's annoying when people don't know how airline industry or banking industry work, but are quick to make a judgement on actions taken by industry experts. It's common knowledge that unless you pay full fare, that is Y or C/J class airline tickets are not refundable at all. It has been this way for more than two decades.
Cancelling a card upon report of a fraudulent use is also standard procedure.
I always carry some traveler's cheques. Some Young American guys were laughing at me since they thought traveller's cheques are archaic. They would have been quite useful in your situation, if you secured cheques and their receipt separately.

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Originally Posted by suzismith View Post Wow, what a lot of wisdom from the respondents in this thread! But unfortunately not so much compassion. "Trust but verify". Wasn't that a Russian phrase quoted by Reagan in a arms control negotiation? How is that relevant here? India Mikers...some of you really know how to give people a really hard time! 4theloveindia..I am really sorry that your experience of India was so difficult and I'm really sorry that you found your experience of India Mike do difficult as well. I hope that when you've sorted yourself out you will give both India and India Mike a second chance.

“If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion.”
― Dalai Lama XIV, The Art of Happiness
Lot of advice. Some very good, and some terrible. Not enough compassion though. Some of the less compassionate were also the ones who were rather of clueless about how things work. That's par for the course.

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Originally Posted by nayan View Post If I freeloaded on a family for 4.5 months(under false pretenses) I would be expecting payback in some form.
The IMers are questioning the story because we have had many such trolls earlier. The members go out of their way to provide good advise and other help - and then are disappointed that it is a troll.
If some of you are ok whether OP is a troll or not - that is fine. Please continue with your good advise and good wishes towards her
But please spare cynics like us who do not believe fantastic stories so easily(out of previous experience). Let us continue in our cynical and critical ways
Now that's quite bold, if I may say so. Why would you expect a payback if you freeloaded? Your host might expect a payback, but you?
I think you are being very harsh on the OP. True that she was naive. She has admitted that she was naive. I take her word for it. I won't force you to accept my view. Just hope that you or someone you love don't get into an intoleraible situation

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Originally Posted by sanuroxz View Post I am just waiting for her reply.
Trust me i was the very first one to hear her concerns so curiously .
It takes time to get one;s act together. Stop being so curious.

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Originally Posted by DrRudi View Post More politely than your original response?
My response was to your rude response.

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Originally Posted by DrRudi View Post There is nothing more to add to this thread. No advice, no help, nothing. It has all been said. (Including your suggestions). You should read and comprehend an entire thread before making a response. And when someone posts to a dead thread, the thread moves 'up the list' due to the new post, which is a complete waste of time both for existing and new members.

One would know the thread is dead because there has not been a new post for two weeks. The thread is dead because the OP hasn't been here since 26 September. You might take these things into consideration in future.

If you wish to be helpful, then please turn your attention to the unanswered threads. If you look at the top right hand corner of your screen, you will find a link to these under the 'Quick Links' arrow.


And, it would also be appreciated if you would edit your existing post to include new comments, rather than making consecutive posts.
I'll ignore most of what you have said above since I am not in a mood to respond to your demands. I wish I could respond to every one in a single post. Sometimes it;s not possible to do that. If it bothers you, I 'am sorry, I can't help it.
You can see I have already helped by correcting misconceptions shown my people, including you, trying to help.
It's your opinion that nothing needs to be added. I respect your right to have an opinion. You can't seem to respect that right when it comes to others!

It seems you are spending too much time focusing on me.
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Keep this in mind. Embassy performs many functions, but know that rescuing people from scams of the kind you got into is not one of them. I couldn't believe how many people suggested that you contact the Embassy
As in #79 that is about it. I will add that other people can bring some influence to bear and if its convenient and not another drug case they will sometimes make a visit. My one experience (positive) in this regard impressed me that for most situations my comment is unfortunately accurate.

I think people desperately want to help and to think that they can which is a more nuanced view..
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Originally Posted by edwardseco View Post As in #79 that is about it. I will add that other people can bring some influence to bear and if its convenient and not another drug case they will sometimes make a visit. My one experience (positive) in this regard impressed me that for most situations my comment is unfortunately accurate.

I think people desperately want to help and to think that they can which is a more nuanced view..
Absolutely. MY view is that however well intentioned you might be, what the victim needs is accurate information, not well intentioned advice that does not work. As it is, the victim is in panic and unable to think straight, it does them disservice if they have to sort out good advice from bad, which they are not in a position to do at that time. They might lose valuable time trying to figure out, by trial and error, what works.
If you are in jail, insist that your Embassy be informed. They may send someone to visit you and provide you with a list of lawyers. That's where their intervention ends, unless your life is in danger. Your Embassy cannot interfere with normal legal process of the country, even if you think it's "unconstitutional". Whose constitution?
I am sure you know all this. I have stated this for the benefit of many others.
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Can't disagree with that..
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"Plans were being made to have a wedding... but first I wanted to see the Dalai Lama... "

Lol... good read
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Originally Posted by Yaatri View Post Absolutely. MY view is that however well intentioned you might be, what the victim needs is accurate information, not well intentioned advice that does not work.
Yes, I do agree, and, as I pointed out before, some of us, whilst not being shy about our cynicism did try to do that.Got bored with writing fiction? I guess we'll never know now. Whatever, I hope it worked out.
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We just have to wait for the OP to see how it panned out.
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Originally Posted by DrRudi View Post For the love of India, please stop replying to dead threads.
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Yes, I do agree, and, as I pointed out before, some of us, whilst not being shy about our cynicism did try to do that.Got bored with writing fiction? I guess we'll never know now. Whatever, I hope it worked out.
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Just a quick update! First thanks to all that were kind and helpful. I made it back to the states safe and sound thanks to a good friend of mine who bought me a ticket. I learned a lesson the hard way! Live and learn is what they say, and it's not a mistake if you learn from it!

Anyways, I had a few more places I wanted to see in India. So after 4 months I returned and went from Gujarat, Rajasthan, Bikaner, Delhi, UK, UP, Bihar and West Bengal. I rode an elephant to look for tigers and corbet national park, I paid a kid 100 rupees to "fish" for coins in Haridwar. I visited an NGO I had seen on FB and found out it was nothing but a scam. I visited the slums of Kolkata and was offered a baby if I paid $100 (turned it down). I went to Bihar and visited the site where the school children were poisoned in 2013. I gave them my condolences. I didn't get scammed this time and had a great time! I do wish I had the pixs from my first visit (my phone was stolen and sold). I told the person who ripped me of last time to get lost and had 0 contact with him. I went to Nepal and visited Kathmandu, I hated it. I'd recommend Pokhara instead.

Again thanks for your help and well wishes. I am leaving India soon to go back to the states, this time with my cell phone, laptop and cash in hand.

I wish you all the best. And I hope the "skeptics" and naysayers are a bit more kinder to the "green" indian travelers next time.

Sorry I didn't reply sooner, but I was angry at what a lot of people on here were saying. I figured I'd give my update so they can see, I am for real!

Namaste
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I don't remember all the details of your previous experiences --- but I'm sorry if we were not as kind as we might have been.

It's great that you put that behind you, and came back to India. I'm glad you didn't buy the baby, though!.

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Thanks for the update, thats all good to hear. Last year I read your posts some days too late to reply, but at that time hoped and wondered if all went well for you. Its very nice to come back here and aknowledge the help you got (together with some less helpfull, but still well ment answers). If you like, tell us more about your trip!
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Originally Posted by 4theloveofindia View Post I made it back to the states safe and sound thanks to a good friend of mine who bought me a ticket.
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Originally Posted by 4theloveofindia View Post I am leaving India soon to go back to the states, this time with my cell phone, laptop and cash in hand.
Sceptics will be sceptics. Forget about them and move on!
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