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#31 Oct 17th, 2013, 08:56
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So you buy a whole heap of slimming plans, solar panels, etc on every shopping trip? It doesn't matter what country I am in (and India is my home country), I just don't respond to those people: treating them as if they do not exist is the best way of avoiding an unwanted sales spiel. Who wants sales spiels?

Anyway, touts are different: there are threads about how to deal with touts specifically. What this thread is about is the people who are not upfront at first ---or soon after--- that the purpose of the approach is to extract cash.

(And a rip off is a rip off, whether it is an Indian trinket being sold to a foreigner at five times the MRP, or a piece of European hifi being sold to an Indian at twice the European price. Call a spade a spade and a rip off a rip off. The fact that you can afford it means only that you may forget it quickly, it makes no other difference)
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... It doesn't matter what country I am in (and India is my home country), I just don't respond to those people: treating them as if they do not exist is the best way of avoiding an unwanted sales spiel. Who wants sales spiels?
.. exactly..as the man said 'call a spade a spade'.. no sense getting uptight about a chancer.. accept, ignore and move on.. it must also be said that somewhere a line must be drawn..no sense either paying 800rs for a 400rs room for example.. but if the difference is the price of a coffee, is it really worth making a big deal of it.. too many tight arse travellers about on a personal crusade to spend next to nothing in India before they jet back to Babylon IMHO..
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Here are some unavoidable annoyances, which could are not necessarily trip-offs. To be fare, I have come across some of those annoyances in other places too. I am sure others can add to the list.
  1. The state of toilets. Budget hotels could be a lot more tolerable with improvement in toilets. It's a disgrace.
  2. The price of visa. I am of the view that every country should abolish visa restrictions. People could travel freely not so long ago. I think the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of richer countries. Reciprocal visa fees regime doesn't accomplish anything except adding to the treasury and keeping people ignorant. Even the U.K. has forgotten "What should they know of England who only England know? "
  3. Hotel prices. With the exception of Singapore, you get much cleaner hotels in most of South East Asia for a smaller hole in your pocket.
  4. Recent depreciation of the rupee has made things a bit better.
  5. I understand luxury is relative, but luxury in Paharganj? And the Govt has the gall to charge luxury tax on just because the room tariff is over some arbitrary threshold, with no hint of luxury anywhere in side or outside.
  6. Trying to sound grander than they are with names including Regency, Palace, etc. in budget hotels.
  7. Not including taxes when quoting prices. U.S.A. is the worst.

The state of toilets alone should be enough to make one not go to India. Yet it doesn't.
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I have seen some pretty crazy toilets and stayed in some very dirty broken down hotel rooms, honostly , can't be bothered by it at all. It's the price you pay for traveling budget in India, and in alot of other palces. Take it or leave it, if you don't like this things you should not be backpacking (I dont say this to anyone in partucular, just in common). To go even further, i think in some way all of this adds to the adventure and charme of traveling in India
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Originally Posted by TriXal0ne View Post I have seen some pretty crazy toilets and stayed in some very dirty broken down hotel rooms, honostly , can't be bothered by it at all. It's the price you pay for traveling budget in India, and in alot of other palces. Take it or leave it, if you don't like this things you should not be backpacking (I dont say this to anyone in partucular, just in common). To go even further, i think in some way all of this adds to the adventure and charme of traveling in India
What you said about taking it or leaving it is true. It can be said about anything. It makes any discussion of annoyances pointless, doesn't it? If a filthy toilet does not bother you, it's fine. I have no problems with it. It does bother some, including me. Why do you think every one must give into your likes and dislikes or not travel to India? We all have a likes and dislikes. I would like a reasonably clean toilet. Some budget hotels do have a reasonably clean toilet, and some don't. When I come across one that does not, I keep walking. Suggesting that I don't travel to India is a bit over the top.

Let me get it straight, paying Rs10 or 20 on a pack of cigarettes bothers you but you find a filthy toilet charming? I am sorry, I don't see any adventure in a toilet that makes me gag. Charm in a filthy toilet. That's the first for me. I think it's not up to you or me to make a judgement on who should or should not be backpacking. What I am saying is what could make travelling,including to India, easier and a more pleasant experience.

It sounds like you do not want to see clean toilets in India. If clean toilets takes charm away, and you must have a filthy toilet, the staff can make it so for you for a small charge. How much are you prepared to pay for the adventure and charm?
It's 4:00 a.m.
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  • It's the hotel manager sir/madam. I have come to apologise that our housekeeping cleaned your toilet yesterday. We have come to make your toilet filthy. We went through a lot of trouble to spread the word that anyone who doesn't have access to a toilet cam come to our hotel and use your toilet. There is long queue out side the hotel. We will do our best to give you the filthiest toilet we can. We have turned the water off too.

I have used "I" in the same sense as you have used "you".
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Hahah well oke I admit it's a little, well far, over the top, your little story kinda makes me laugh

I didn't meant to get you upsed and the comment wasn't necessarily directed towards you

Btw, the diffrence in price for the ciggarets didn't bothered me, i just tought it was worth metioning, but thats another tread.
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Contrary to popular belief, budget and clean often go hand in hand in India, if you are prepared to look hard enough.

I always compromise on amenities but I vary rarely compromise on cleanliness unless I absolutely have to.

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Originally Posted by TriXal0ne View Post Hahah well oke I admit it's a little, well far, over the top, your little story kinda makes me laugh

I didn't meant to get you upsed and the comment wasn't necessarily directed towards you

Btw, the diffrence in price for the ciggarets didn't bothered me, i just tought it was worth metioning, but thats another tread.
I am glad it made you laugh. I exaggerated your words to make my point.
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Originally Posted by NomadicBoo View Post Contrary to popular belief, budget and clean often go hand in hand in India, if you are prepared to look hard enough.

I always compromise on amenities but I vary rarely compromise on cleanliness unless I absolutely have to.

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That's good to know. I have come across a few where you could smell the toilets from the lobby. My comments were more for public toilets. I had mentioned public toilets in the original draft, but somehow it got left out during editing. Public toilets is one of the downsides of travelling by bus. I have come across pretty bad toilets in rural turkey also. The one in Bucharest train station was pretty bad too. You had to pay one Lei to use it. It's cheaper to go to McDonalds, where you get free wi-fi too.
For what you get, prices are higher too and good deals are harder to come buy.

I got an apartment in Chisanau (Kishinev) in Moldova for what was equivalent of Rs 1250 and was extremely lucky to find a two bedroom apartment in Mala Strana area of Prague, with spotless toilets and sparkling white sheets. On the other hand, if it becomes less challenging, crowds of tourists will be bigger too. The concept of cleanliness is different in India.
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Offcourse there are limit's, I would not want to stay in a smelly disgusting room, but I don't mind it at all if it's a little dirty. For example let me post a picture of the badroom attached to our room in Mumbai.



A lot of people will call ths disgusting, but to me it's perfectly accaptable in India. Its just a little smashed.
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Originally Posted by TriXal0ne View Post Offcourse there are limit's, I would not want to stay in a smelly disgusting room, but I don't mind it at all if it's a little dirty. For example let me post a picture of the badroom attached to our room in Mumbai.



A lot of people will call ths disgusting, but to me it's perfectly accaptable in India. Its just a little smashed.
I think we interpret words like acceptable differently.
I could make do with it, depending on the price, and if there is no other choice but it's not acceptable. It should be priced well below average, whatever it might be. Not knowing the average makes it difficult to evaluate it. What was the price?

The same bathroom could be kept cleaner. Little touch up, painting and scrubbing can make it much better.
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Originally Posted by Yaatri View Post I could make do with it, but it's not acceptable.
The same bathroom could be kept cleaner. Little touch up, painting and scrubbing can make it much better.
That's true, but isn't that the case for all dirty bathrooms?
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Originally Posted by TriXal0ne View Post That's true, but isn't that the case for all dirty bathrooms?
Yes, and no. Some public toilets are hopeless, disgusting.
My point is why wouldn't the owners put in a little effort to make the best of what they have? Once they have been cleaned up, subsequent effort to maintain it would not be as much as initial effort required to clean it up. Either they don't care, or their idea of clean is different.
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Your right, especially about the care part. In the room itself a bunch of drit was stacked in the corner. A guy who worked the hotel, I don't know exactly what his job was, but once in a while he'd came into or room and moved it with his feet from one side to the other. It was an hilarious sight, and altough he didnt spoke any english he would just hang out with us, enjoying our company, and so did we
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Originally Posted by Yaatri View Post I think we interpret words like acceptable differently.
I could make do with it, depending on the price, and if there is no other choice but it's not acceptable. It should be priced well below average, whatever it might be. Not knowing the average makes it difficult to evaluate it. What was the price?

The same bathroom could be kept cleaner. Little touch up, painting and scrubbing can make it much better.
I wouldn't even make do with it! I'd rather go on the floor gutter than that toilet. Sure the floor gutter's no easy target, but with this toilet, I'd rather close off my ass.
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Originally Posted by CaptKaos View Post .. exactly..as the man said 'call a spade a spade'.. no sense getting uptight about a chancer.. accept, ignore and move on..
Sure, most of these things need to be just moved on from. They do not merit an IM thread, nor do they merit spoiling the following few days worrying about them --- but that is different to just accepting it at the time. Do some people seem to want to be scammed?

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Originally Posted by TriXal0ne View Post A lot of people will call ths disgusting, but to me it's perfectly acceptable in India. Its just a little smashed.
My wife would never stay in a place with a toilet like that. But hey, she's Indian .

I'd find it pretty tough too, unless it was absurdly cheap and I couldn't get better.

Public toilets are a different matter. Some of those you might as well go on the outside, because everyone else seems to have done, as they find the mounds of crap and pools of piss just too much to negotiate!
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