Agra Taxi Scam ? Or Am I wrong

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Originally Posted by jyotirmoy View Post The guy who really conned you was the one who charged you Rs.900/- for the FS trip.
What is the standard half-day a/c rate to FS for goras(& in comparison for Indians)?
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post What is the standard half-day a/c rate to FS for goras(& in comparison for Indians)?
An "Indian" who asks for an a/c taxi is immediately taken for an NRI and ends up paying the "gora" rate.
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Airconditioned taxis are as common as cowdung nowadays. Stands to reason most of the customers are Indians, not foreigners.
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post What is the standard half-day a/c rate to FS for goras(& in comparison for Indians)?
You are talking 20-30 years ago.

Taxi rates are going to be the same for a forigner as well provided you shop around a little and dont just go with the first taxi stand if its a long tour... for small legs it doesnt really matter paying a couple of hundreds extra does it?

During winters it is advisable to make sure the taxi has heat in it coz a lot of them dont have it even though they would have air conditioning in them.
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Originally Posted by Chahal View Post You are talking 20-30 years ago.

Taxi rates are going to be the same for a forigner as well provided you shop around a little and dont just go with the first taxi stand if its a long tour... for small legs it doesnt really matter paying a couple of hundreds extra does it?

During winters it is advisable to make sure the taxi has heat in it coz a lot of them dont have it even though they would have air conditioning in them.
Actually, I'm talking 5 years ago. Indian & tourist are now the same? No prejudice or fudge factor upon first impression -Perfect!!!!! Heater on in a car in India - even in the dead of winter? Ermmmm - no thanks buddy.
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post Heater on in a car in India - even in the dead of winter? Ermmmm - no thanks buddy.
Oh, I've just recently been very happy with them up north, Peak

But I guess we're diverting
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Originally Posted by machadinha View Post Oh, I've just recently been very happy with them up north, Peak
I had to turn on the a/c in the car here the other day .... because the temperature had the audacity to hit a balmy 9c.
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post Actually, I'm talking 5 years ago. Indian & tourist are now the same? No prejudice or fudge factor upon first impression -Perfect!!!!! Heater on in a car in India - even in the dead of winter? Ermmmm - no thanks buddy.
Indian's and tourists are not the same but taxi prices are no different. For a toyota Innova which has air conditioning the price these days is Rs 7 to 7.50 per kilometer with minimum billing of 200 to 250 kilometers per day. Rs 100-150 per night for the driver on top.. this includes the fuel costs as well. 7 seater or 8 seater doesnt matter.

So now that you or anyone who reads this post knows the right price there is no reason to pay anything more then that. If you cant find a taxi at that price try mingling with the locals

About the heat : Not every one heads to the beaches in India... Try the mountains some time you will love them...
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Originally Posted by Chahal View Post Indian's and tourists are not the same but taxi prices are no different.
Why then do they all (taxis/autos) drive off pissed/angry & at mach speed when I higgle for the Indian base rate? Should I just accept their gora pigeon gambit & be done with it? Why was it impossible for our Indian colleagues to negotiate the lowest best possible rate with a gora visible during the negotiations/higgling?
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Auto rikshaw's dont just run away from the tourists they behave the same way with locals as well... it depends where you want to go not much to do with the price. They would normally settle for a lesser price for places they want to go. Autorikshaw drivers are a rude lot and its universal... nothing to do with where you are from.

Call a radio taxi if in Delhi they charge Rs7.50 per kilometre local.. there is one company that charges Rs14 per kilometre as well.. depends upon the company rates.

For long journeys go to one of them travel agent shops or a taxi stand and I am sure you will get the right price there.
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Originally Posted by Chahal View Post For long journeys go to one of them travel agent shops or a taxi stand and I am sure you will get the right price there.
But you only just said that there is only 'one' price these days. So in theory, every price should be the 'right price'.

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Originally Posted by Chahal View Post ... for small legs it doesnt really matter paying a couple of hundreds extra does it?
Oh sure wtf, why not.
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post But you only just said that there is only 'one' price these days. So in theory, every price should be the 'right price'.
I didint really want to reply to this but I suppose that would have been very rude on my part.

Any price that a seller is willing to accept and a buyer is willing to pay is infact the right price. You might be willing to pay Rs20000 per day for a taxi and I am sure there will be a lot of sellers at that price as well and that does make it the right price for you.... But that is not the point... I was reffering to what the going rate is and thats what it is as mentioned in my reply above. The prices I mentioned were to give a rough idea about how low they would go while bargaining.

This example would give you a better idea I guess : A few days ago I had to pick up my guests from the airport which is only about 15 mins drive from where I live and I needed another car as all of them wont fit in my car... so I went down to the local travel agent and the price I got was Rs1800 for a round trip which would not take more then an hour and a total of I would say 30-40 kilometres.. This was way too high and I asked him if he would be willing to come down to Rs600? and we were both happy at Rs700. Took about 10 mins of talking.


So not only in theory but practice as well ... any price that is paid by a buyer and is accepted by the seller and the deal is done is in fact the right price.
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Originally Posted by Chahal View Post Any price that a seller is willing to accept and a buyer is willing to pay is infact the right price. So not only in theory but practice as well ... any price that is paid by a buyer and is accepted by the seller and the deal is done is in fact the right price.
The 'agreed to price' may well be a 'ripoff price' & not the 'right price' & most certainly not the 'Indian price' - it really depends on your negotiating skills, rupee/Km knowledge, frugalness, the driver's entrepreneurship quotient & his perception of the fare market for that particular day/hour/sector ..... and a bit of luck. It all can vary from driver to driver but is definitely not a let-your-hair- down, 100% slam dunk, close-your-eyes & get the Indian price handed to you on a silver platter. You have to work hard for every rupee, much harder than an Indian.

The agreed to price may well be taken out of desperation in 'attempting' to negotiate the Indian price or just price - time is money after all. The tourist agreed to price is hardly ever the Indian agreed to price - regardless if, according to you, the Indian & tourist price have been exactly the same for the last 20 years.

The opening gambit will always be higher for a gora than for an Indian. The right price would be the same price as an Indian would be initially offered, negotiated, & eventually settled for. Unfortunately there is a ton of politics involved in hailing, negotiating and hiring of a ride & it is all not equal .... including the opening gambit based on the appearance of the customer.

If the perception of the driver as to what fare he might attain upon seeing the face/color of skin, is different to what is negotiated for then he may drive off knowing that easier prey might be just around the corner.

A gora tourist also produces more commission than an Indian on the emporium circuit - this also factors into the money equation. If you do happen to get the Indian rate or below without negotiating then be prepared for the 'like gum on your shoe treatment'. Waiting surcharges &/or return trip fees are often added after officially negotiations are finished & not an 'Indian price'. Agreed to prices can often be conveniently forgotten, purposely misconstrued or 'lost in translation'.


No, all is not equal nor have they been for the last 20 years - that's for sure.
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Hummm! Alright I loose
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well, if that's agreed?. . . then it's the right outcome, isn't it?

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