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Originally Posted by JonTempDoe View Post I admit to being young, naive, idealistic and very trusting.


Also, as part of the fake payment for the jewels I 'bought' (that is, a charade was set up) 10,000 euro's worth of traveller's cheques and later signed a court document that I'd lost them (enabling insurance claims for the company). Note that I signed before I read and only bothered to read once we were back in the car (again - trust).

Also note that if these are real court documents this is a criminal offense i.e. forgery and since traveller's cheques are concerned it also involves India-US relations... .
Idealistic ??? In what insurance fraud ? You knew upfront that you had not lost the cheques, so where does this idealism spiel come from ?

What India-US relations ? Did you inform the US Ambassador

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Originally Posted by JonTempDoe View Post I don't deny the allure of something for nothing but two days after signing on I thought 'this is too easy' and proceeded to find charities to give half of the 'cut' to. If I got lucky and found a ton of money on the ground others should share in the blessing. Is this dishonest at heart?
Sure it is the same thing, them girlfriends of those English Cricketers thought sitting on the laps of Sir Allen Stanford in Antigua Greed and Easy money.

Sure it is the same thing Bernie Madoff said "I gave to charities" You think he was dishonest at heart ? Say it ain't so Joe !!!

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Where is home ? Earth ? So this fraud took place in Mars ?
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This whole story sounds fictional to me!

A- for imaginative writing.

It just doesn't 'hang together' properly.
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Originally Posted by obione980 View Post This whole story sounds fictional to me!

A- for imaginative writing.

It just doesn't 'hang together' properly.
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Originally Posted by JonTempDoe View Post Also, as part of the fake payment for the jewels I 'bought' (that is, a charade was set up) 10,000 euro's worth of traveller's cheques and later signed a court document that I'd lost them (enabling insurance claims for the company).
Can only agree with the above.

You willingly got yourself involved with a fraud scheme, and apparently got burned in the process.

No sympathies here. Seems like the only scam here was by your own doing. Now don't do it again, right. (I'd be a little wary of getting any authorities involved. You see, officer, I was trying to help these folks out with scamming their insurance company to the tune of 10-15,000 Euros, then... And boohoo, poor old me. All these third-world nations are just so backwards and corrupt! You can't trust a soul with your good frauds!)

Sure, call your bank to block that transaction, if it's not too late. They indeed might show some interest as to what this pending transaction of that amount was all about. Perhaps giving your tax or fraud authorities a call, etc. Good luck with it.
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Some small updates:

There is a technical possibility for the credit card company to block the transfer due to 'goods not delivered and fraud' without my having to go into too much detail. If the jewelry store in which I made the transaction is a legit store which also as a side business helps its criminal friends it might prefer not to get caught up in legal action in which case everything would get canceled. If it insists and sends over the fake documents which I signed than further resistance on my part would require legal action which I am not going to initiate...

Either way no-one in India (or my country) gives a shit about 15k euros or the whole small-time fraud story and this will not cause any sort of international legal action/extradition etc. or any criminal investigation.

IMO the money is gone but there is no long term stain which is a perfectly fine trade-off for me; lesson learned.

Maybe as a last statement I don't claim to be entirely innocent - I could have walked away at any time and I should have exercised more judgement. I was, however, alone, naive, looking for friends and as a result got taken advantage of. These guys are experts at what they do and what they do is setting up an elaborate show for the right people and manipulating them into giving them money. Sympathy cannot be demanded or maybe even expected but I do hope for understanding -things aren't black and white and people do get taken in and do things they would never normally have done.

Thanks for the support and for listening.
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At least you are halfway on the journey. Continue because that is the value in self realization..
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What people never understand about con men, until it happens to them, is that con men are bloody good at what they do. Trust your gut feeling, people will advise --- you gut feeling is exactly what the con man is twisting around his little finger.
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Sympathy cannot be demanded or maybe even expected but I do hope for understanding -things aren't black and white and people do get taken in and do things they would never normally have done.
Sure ...we all get taken for minor amounts (well, I do ) but 15,000 euros is more than I ever had in the bank before a slightly larger sum in redundancy came my way.
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Originally Posted by JonTempDoe View Post Some small updates:



Either way no-one in India (or my country) gives a shit about 15k euros or the whole small-time fraud story and this will not cause any sort of international legal action/extradition etc. or any criminal investigation.

IMO the money is gone but there is no long term stain which is a perfectly fine trade-off for me; lesson learned.
Sure they do care, unless I am missing something. You had money still in the bank you could have easily moved/withdrawn from the bank and into another bank.

Unless you are more complicit than you have described here.
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When I say no one cares I mean this is not a large enough sum for us to send police officers/investigators to India and not enough for India to start looking for ways to 'bring me back to India for justice'. (A long drawn out trial/investigation would probably cost at least half of this if not more).

If this were hundreds of thousands of euros or millions of euros it would be different.

Obviously I care, my family cares and the con-artists care - for us this is a lot of money. This is not a national-level sum, however, and it is not even enough to motivate the bank or cc company to take serious action. And like I said, if I initiate legal action the whole story will (obviously) reflect badly on me as well... I'm not going to risk permanent reputation damage (=a record) just for the chance to get my money back or the even smaller chance of doing some small damage to a scamming ring.

I am perfectly willing to send an anonymous story to some sort of investigative journal in India as I mentioned in the OP...
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Originally Posted by JonTempDoe View Post And like I said, if I initiate legal action the whole story will (obviously) reflect badly on me as well... I'm not going to risk permanent reputation damage (=a record) just for the chance to get my money back or the even smaller chance of doing some small damage to a scamming ring.

I am perfectly willing to send an anonymous story to some sort of investigative journal in India as I mentioned in the OP...
In a game of crookry and fraud, the bigger fish won ! It happens all the time.

As obione980 said: The story does not hang together.

Why do you anonymously want to send it to India ? Why not your own country ? No investigative journalist worth her namak will take a bite - Maybe some disgruntled AOMs/AOWs in the beaches of Goa they might buy you a warm beer, and blog about it in their web pages...or send it to Star or Sun in London

Honestly, many non-journalists here are having problem biting it too
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Originally Posted by edwardseco View Post At least you are halfway on the journey. Continue because that is the value in self realization..
BTW what do you mean by half the journey?

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Originally Posted by nycank View Post Honestly, many non-journalists here are having problem biting it too
Not sure if you don't believe the story or my motivations in the story. Besides uploading a snapshot of my bank account which I will not do there is not much I can do to convince you the facts are real.... which is why I didn't want to respond to 'doubting threads' in the first place.

As per my motivations psychoanalyze away... I'll not argue something which has no objective answer and multiple subjective answers.

Nothing personal, I just can't see the point.
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BTW what do you mean by half the journey?
Because you aren't there yet in self-realization..
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Originally Posted by JonTempDoe View Post When I say no one cares I mean this is not a large enough sum for us to send police officers/investigators to India ...
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Respecting your view(s) and thought(s), I wished you could report it to the police (even an e-mail would do...), 15,000 euros is a large enough sum (it translates to INR 10,58,167.50 at today's rate).

I wished, people don't get agitated while posting their stories on public platform, as they should be ready to face every type of music.
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Originally Posted by edwardseco View Post Because you aren't there yet in self-realization..
Don't suppose you'd like to clarify a bit more? I'd like to hear (constructive) criticism... and honestly it's very easy to receive when behind a wall of internet anonymity

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Originally Posted by Prakaant View Post Respecting your view(s) and thought(s), I wished you could report it to the police (even an e-mail would do...), 15,000 euros is a large enough sum (it translates to INR 10,58,167.50 at today's rate).

I wished, people don't get agitated while posting their stories on public platform, as they should be ready to face every type of music.
I guess in India this is a bucketload of money but I'm sorry, the personal risk for me is too great... I got involved in something I shouldn't have and paid the price. I'll not pay more on the off chance that ricochets might somehow hurt these guys... besides, beyond the name of the jewelry store which will receive the transaction I have no real information to give.. just a story and a bunch of fake names.

And this whole story took place exactly one week ago, I think my agitation is still understandable... I'm still in the middle of it so to speak. As maybe my writing reflects I am a bit calmer now.
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besides, beyond the name of the jewelry store which will receive the transaction I have no real information to give.
Backed up by the card transaction trail which leads to someone receiving the money.
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