Stray puppies - what to do

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#1 Mar 19th, 2012, 21:53
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Hey everyone

We have 2 families of stray dogs living in our building society, there are 5 puppies and 2 moms and one (dad?). They are all adorable and seem in pretty good health considering their environment. I've been feeding them pedigree puppy and grown dog food and milk for a couple of weeks now but i am unsure what to do to next?

I am playing with them quite a bit, i always make sure to wash my hands etc properly after but is there risks involved in touching,stroking them? Apart from the possibility of rabies of course, i have taken shots, is there anything else you might catch as human?

I have spoken to an organisation here who told me they'd come and see the dogs to vaccinate them and possible sterilize the mums, i have not heard back from them though in a week and would love to hear if anyone has any ideas?
The pups are beautiful, they would make great pets, I'd really like to see them get a home rather being thrown out of the society as soon as they get big enough to be a nuisance.
Love some input
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We have had a family of seven, plus mum, in the hedge outside our house.

My bottom line is that I am, if I am absolutely forced into it, prepared to adopt a cat (or accept its adoption of me, more like) but I do not want a family of dogs. When the puppies were newborn, we provided meat for the mum to eat for a couple of days. When they got big enough to scramble out, I put them back in the hedge once or twice. When I found them moved to a really stupid place, on a local rubbish dump, I shifted them back to the hedge.

The mother is not aggressive, but she is shy, even frightened, and not friendly. She has now moved her pups to a building site over the road. The builders seem ok with this.

They really are amazingly cute ... but I have avoided any sort of petting or playing. We have a fair-sized local dog population: they will take their place in it. Being petted by a human who is not prepared to adopt them might make their future life harder for them.

This is not so much advice, as hey-this-is-my-dog-story. So far as advice is concerned, it would be too late to give it anyway.

What is the reaction of your security men to the dogs? A lot of "wild" dogs seem to make friends with security. If your dogs are to stay around your compound, this could be important.

If you can find them homes, that would be just wonderful. You've done so much already. You're a better "man" than I am!
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post We have had a family of seven, plus mum, in the hedge outside our house.

My bottom line is that I am, if I am absolutely forced into it, prepared to adopt a cat (or accept its adoption of me, more like) but I do not want a family of dogs. When the puppies were newborn, we provided meat for the mum to eat for a couple of days. When they got big enough to scramble out, I put them back in the hedge once or twice. When I found them moved to a really stupid place, on a local rubbish dump, I shifted them back to the hedge.

The mother is not aggressive, but she is shy, even frightened, and not friendly. She has now moved her pups to a building site over the road. The builders seem ok with this.

They really are amazingly cute ... but I have avoided any sort of petting or playing. We have a fair-sized local dog population: they will take their place in it. Being petted by a human who is not prepared to adopt them might make their future life harder for them.

This is not so much advice, as hey-this-is-my-dog-story. So far as advice is concerned, it would be too late to give it anyway.

What is the reaction of your security men to the dogs? A lot of "wild" dogs seem to make friends with security. If your dogs are to stay around your compound, this could be important.

If you can find them homes, that would be just wonderful. You've done so much already. You're a better "man" than I am!
Thanks for replying Nic! i am also glad to hear you're helping your dogs...

Well,the building society and the watchmen are being very good, many people are helping and one of the dog family have a small area for themselves, the other seem to sleep in a building site at the back. I've learned that one of the mother apparently had 7 pups, five of whom died,the people in the building fed the pups with baby food and fed the mother who was in such bad shape they thought she'd die but she has fully recovered now.

The problem is once they get older they won't be able to stay on, there is already another 2 strays living in the building apart from these 8 dogs!

I would take at least one of the pups home if i could but i am not in a position to do so now. I would like for them to get vaccinated though and for the very young and small mums to get sterilized.
And if anyone's looking for a really cute pup, give me a shout as these ones are a real treat, the mums too are so well behaved and lovable
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I wouldn't worry too much about touching them. (Assuming of course they look somewhat alright, somewhat healthy fur, preferably somewhat shiny, and not full of festering wounds and other such obvious stuff.) Besides rabies, tetanus would always be a concern. Both would have to be transmitted through bites or scratches or even licking and into your open skin (wounds no matter how minute), though.

Washing your hands with soap after petting them, and not touching your mouth or indeed any scratches or such until you have, is a good idea.

You can get a preventative shot against tetanus, but I'm not sure how long it's good for, I think not very long. It's typically administered after a suspected infection.

I guess you'll know or have found out how puppies and with their sharp little milk teeth can easily puncture you. So, yes, there could be a concern there. Try and not let this happen.
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I wouldn't worry too much about touching them. (Assuming of course they look somewhat alright, somewhat healthy fur, preferably somewhat shiny, and not full of festering wounds and other such obvious stuff.) Besides rabies, tetanus would always be a concern. Both would have to be transmitted through bites or scratches or even licking and into your open skin (wounds no matter how minute), though.

Washing your hands with soap after petting them, and not touching your mouth or indeed any scratches or such until you have, is a good idea.

I guess you'll know or have found out how puppies and with their sharp little milk teeth can easily puncture you. So, yes, there could be a concern there. Try and not let this happen.

Thanks!! Great to know, i've not noticed any other people petting them. They seem fine, no wounds etc. I have the tetanus shot too and i wouldn't let them bite me playfully even.
Thanks again
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<Cross-posted, and you're welcome>

ps Of course with animals, worms can be another health concern. You'd typically need to handle their feces for it to be a concern. Wash your hands again after.

I don't think you mentioned your location, this would of course be helpful for people looking to adopt Maybe put up a pic of them on this thread. (And don't make it twenty giant ones, it will make the thread slow to load.)
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Nice of you to look after these pups. With the precautions you take, you should be fine with the playing and patting.

In which city are these pups?

Obviously they need vaccinations and sterilisation but before you should deworm them and big dogs. At many pharmacies in India you can buy deworming drugs. The best available is Drontal or Plozin which are the only ones that kills all types of worms (some of the other brands cover only some worms). They cost INR30 per tablet and 1 tablet is for 10 kilo. So a pup of 2 kilo needs a quarter tablet.

One week after the deworming they can be vaccinated with rabies (can be given only at 3 months) and 7in1, both which you can buy at some pharmacies as well or via your local shelter or vet. These are easy vaccines to give that do not hurt the dogs. Often it is easier to get a friendly local vet to come out and do it than a local shelter but if you say to the local shelter that you will cover their cost they often do come.

Three weeks after they need a booster for the 7in1.

Two weeks later the adult dogs can be sterilised, the female pups at 5/6 months and the boy pups at 6/7 monhts.

To home the pups you will have to put in effort. Place adverts in the local newspapers, put up posters in local shops, put them on facebook and tell everybody you can think of about these pups needing a home. If you are serious about this, you will find homes but it requires a significant effort.

Even if you find homes before the pups are due for sterilsiaton make sure you organise that the sterilisations get done when they are ready for it, so you need to follow up (and perhaps pay for it).

It is very important that all dogs get sterilised because this is the only way to avoid more homeless animals.

If you can afford it, it would be great if you can also put some anti-flea and anti-tick on the dogs. The most effective is Spot-on but this is expensive. Cheaper alternatives are Notix or Bolfon flea powder but these need to be applied at least once a week.

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Hi Anna
I think the best possible thing you an do is spay the Mama ! It doesn't cost too much about 25.00 dollars or less . I have done it for several dogs or if an organization will come you can give a donation and they will have it done but you may have to keep calling them . I think you might be in Mumbai as I commented on your kindness on Sharell's blog. I found the pedigree dog food to be too expensive and Indian dogs love eggs dal and rice bread and milk as well That money saved could go towards mange treatment and flea powder . Such a hard situation to be in I know trying to help all the puppies Good Luck Cathy
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Thanks everyone for the great responses and as you kindly pointed out, yes i am in Mumbai, Andheri west area.

Birds and Machachina; great info, i will go and speak to the local vet and see what they can do, I would be happy to pay for the vaccinations. The organisation i'e spoken to seem very sincere and good in every way, I am contacting them today again. As for finding them a home, i realize this is the trickier part...I will try to get some photos of them and post them here as i don't have a large contact net in Mumbai just yet for posting of facebook etc. Thanks a million for the great tips.

Doggie do gooder; great you found me from White indian housewifes site , the pedigree food is really expensive here even though i've opted for the cheapest brand, i've been feeding them leftovers and rotis etc too and alot of milk.
Thanks again everyone, i will keep updating the progress
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Great info there by Birds, and thanks Doggie for additions.

Re: The lots of milk, I'm not sure now how it is with dogs (Birds? I just forget), but I think this can cause diarrhea. Supply modestly, or cut it if you notice this.

Feeding them on leftovers, yes, well, that may not be a very balanced diet of course. You can no doubt find recipes on the web to prepare them a balanced dog diet, it's actually quite some hassle to do it right, or what I would consider a hassle. Herbs and spices (and salt) should preferably be avoided, though I'm sure no few street dogs will get by that way. A bit of vegetable oil in their food is good for the fur, btw. Just a small dash, or every so often.

In the Netherlands, I just used to feed mine some cheap brand of what is sold as "complete" dog food, over here if that's what it says, it's what it ought to be. Large sacks of the dry variety (serve with some water, or some soak it in hot water first. I found this unnecessary), canned food tends to be much more expensive, nor did I ever find this very good for their stool. I'm sure even just acquiring any dog food in India may be more of a hassle, let alone perhaps a wide choice of it.

I remember as a kid my parents used to fool around with mineral supplements and such for our dogs, I'm sure the ready-made market may not have been quite as developed yet, or maybe they did find it more economical.

The better you can feed a puppy, the stronger the dog will be for the rest of its life, of course. It is now building up its bone structure and everything. But just see what you can manage, and fit into your lifestyle.

I've asked around in India about getting dogs sterilized, females are of course more expensive, as it's the greater operation. But certainly recommended if you can, and I guess some Rs. 1500 or so should indeed do it. To get a male neutered should be really quite cheap, and it's a minor operation.

I was wondering if Mumbai Burrp doesn't carry personal ads for you to advertize the dogs, but I guess not; it does have a pets section though, with vets and stuff: http://mumbai.burrp.com/ (see at bottom of their homepage).

I'll spare you a lengthy write-up on dogs with diarrhea now, but it's quite common especially with puppies, so let us know if you run into issues there, and I will. If they do, a worm infection should always be considered, plus their diet then.
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ps One more note on food then, actually your supplying them with vegetables and grains and breads, eggs indeed (again, preferably without salt or spices, and preferably no or little white flour so breads etc. Chapatis and naan and the likes should be OK, since they ought to be made from atta = whole-wheat flour, though I guess they may be made from white flour), is good, dogs eat their prey in full, so including the bones and stomach contents and stuff. People tend to mistakenly believe they mostly or only need meat. But they should preferably have some, of course.

Beware of chicken and fish bones, chicken bones splinter.

Birds, can you tell us what do you feed your dogs? (I think you may have described it before somewhere?)
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Hi Laanisa, you can contact an animal welfare organisation for spaying the female dog. i happen to know one such organisation in mumbai (as a volunteer), IDA (in defense of animals). their helpine number is 9320056580. They will surely respond to your call, you dont have to call them many times. They will inform you the time in advance and you have to present at that time. They will pick up the mother dog from your place and post-operation (which will take 3-4 days) drop the dog back to your place. They charge very small amount of INR 200 per dog (including pick up and drop).
I really appreciate what you are doing for these helpless stray animals.
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Hi Mancha is very right about too much milk to puppies, it will cause diarrhea. A little bit is ok but do not over do it. It is even better if you give them yoghurt (dahi).

A good diet would contain:
Rice or chapatis
Mixed with soya or fish (mackrel or sardines are very good) or meat or egg
With mixed vegetables but no onion
Plus some garlic (helps against fleas)
And some vegetable oil (for there coat)

I believe Save Our Strays works in Andhari see: http://saveourstraysmumbai.org
They do good work, I sometimes collaborate with them on cases.
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Wow great information everyone!! Thank you so much for this. I have spoken again today with AMTM, the organisation i mentioned earlier, and they ensured me they will come and help out with vaccinations and sterilization asap. I will hold off another day or so but i will contact the other organisations mentioned above by you for the adoption process.
Thanks again, its really heartwarming to see so many people care and the people working so hard for the welfare of the animals.
Thanks also for the diet tips; i will cut down on the milk and try add fish and egg.
Will let you know the news tomorrow
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A lil update, i've managed to give them all deworming tablets today, with some trouble i must add!

Animals matter to me, the organisation i'm in contact with are coming on saturday to give them vaccinations and they will make sure the grown dogs get sterilized too and they seem positive in getting the pups up for adoption too. I am so happy!!!!!!

Will let you know how saturday goes, thanks again for all your advice and help and for caring
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