Microchip, Rabies, export to europe

#1 Nov 16th, 2011, 15:38
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Dear All,

I'm new to this forum.
Im currently living in Nashik (3 hours north of mumbai). Here i have now a little puppy in the factory.
She was there when i arrived and aprox. two weeks. Since then I'm taking care of her.

I'm considering taking her with me back to europe.
It is very difficult to find a vet here. For the first vaccine i was lucky and they could be done when she was 8 weeks (nobivac, lepto., hep, distemper, parvov.,...) The dr. came to the factory.

Now my problem is she is abit over 12 weeks and i want to get her microchipped and rabies vaccinated BUT i don't know where to get a microchip.

Since i asked the dr. if he can provide an ISO certified microchip and an approved rabies vaccine to take her abroad he doesn't pick up the phone anymore??
I contacted another one but after he was asking me which breed she is, and i said no breed, he also doesn't come back to me anymore.

Its very difficult as i cannot take her to the city (nashik) yet and the factory is abit outside. The first dr. came to the factory. I don't wanna drag her from one vet to another...while they anyways don't seem to have a proper microchip....

Now i would have some questions where i just can't find any answer till now...maybe somebody here can help me.

1. Is there a place where i could order a proper microchip (ISO, and 15 digit) in india??

2. Does anybody know any dr. who has a chip and who would be so kind to sent it to me express?

3. Or does anybody know of a vet (which has experience with preparing pets for travel to europe) who might be willing to come to Nashik and get her microchipped and rabies vaccinated?
Maybe from Mumbai or Pune? or elsewhere?

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Also i got told that it is important, or make things easier if my dog gets before or at the same time microchipped and rabies vaccinated...

4. The microchip needs to be registered by me through the internet and to fill in the dates, right??
The dr. will not do that, or??

5. So if i register her online do i also have to enter that she got a rabies vaccine??
Or will it be only be written onto a paper form?

6. Or how does this correlate with another???

Sorry, but i really want her to get the rabies vaccine asap!!! but if this comes into conflict of later bringing her to europe, i always think i better wait till i get FINALLY a microchip and do it together...

7. But still why is it so important to get the microchip before/at the same time of the rabies vaccine???

8. If i get her microchiped and rabies vaccinated does she get a pet passport?
right now its on a preprinted paper form.

9. Do i need any special book where everything gets written down?
Or is the print i have right now ok?

Really this situation is driving me crazy. Mostly because time is running and i would like to stay in the timetable with her vaccines and take her back to europe asap.

Maybe somebody here might have some advice for me.
Or a contact person?

Thank you in advance!!!!!
#2 Nov 17th, 2011, 13:09
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Hi Luna, Great you are taking care of the pup. Taking a dog to Europe is not impossible but does require some effort. There are seveal treats on India Mike explaining the process. I am based in Goa and deal with this quite often.

In Goa we use Dr. Marylin Estibeiro who can provide the microchip and all the paperwork. Goa is a good place from where to take the pup to Europe as Arkefly, one of the charters, often takes the dog for free if you have no handluggage and fly premium economy class.

You may want to consider to contact Dr. Estibeiro to take this further. The chip can be injected just a few days before you fly. To get the rabies certificate is more complicated.

You may also want to contact Stichting Aai from the Netherlands as they bring dogs from India to the Netherlands. They are coming to Goa next week to pick up 3 dogs. We are also looking at bringing another puppy sometime in February/March. Perhaps your pup can go along with that one as well.

I am currently travelling abroad so I can not get too much into detail but please read the blow links for further information and feel free to contact me if you have further questions.

http://www.indiamike.com/india/dogs-...2/#post1216306

http://www.indiamike.com/india/dogs-...8/#post1235054


Lastly, in pharmacies that sell veterinary products you can buy the 7in1 vaccine and vaccinate the pup your self. You have to do it twice, three weeks apart. It is easy. So you buy the 7in1 in Nashik and take it to the factory but you have to keep it on an ice pack to it does not get warmer than 8C.

Do not give up!
The time will come when men will look upon the murder of animals as they look upon the murder of men.
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Dear Birds,

Thank you for your reply.
You are so encouraging! I read already long time before my threat your many posts and replies to that topic.
Its really amazing what you do.
Thank you again for also supporting me.
Here is some update.
I contacted Dr. Marylin Estibeiro but unfortunately she was not there. I will try it again.
Anyways i have now some options with the microchip...lets see.
One is a Trovan Unique (ID100), 10 digit, it is in Pune (but it is aknowledged one by Eu, ISO 11785, and it should be readable at all major airports, i contacted also the producers itself to confirm that)
This dr. would also have the scanner to check before the implant and after. The price would be 500 for the chip and 3000 for scanning.
But still i either have to drive to pune and get it or the dr. would come over...so it would add up to much much more.
Another one is through a dr. here in Nashik. He told me he could organize a 15 dig. Lifechip, by destron Fearing. He would charge 3800 for the chip plus implant.... but he would not have a scanner to check before and after.....:-(
I also contacted Kennelclubindia (chennai) They said that i could get one of the brand AllFlex 15. dig for 308.
But again. This one i also could not check before nor after implant....
hm.
I mean i would like at least to know if the chip is working....or not.
Well lets see how things are turning out ;-)
nice greetings from nashik
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if you pm me I can give you a vet in mumbai who had them
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Luna, where in Europe are u flying? Normally you need to make a serum test and send it to a lab in Europe for rabies antibodies detection. Your pet will be able to fly only 3 months after the date of the test, not before. I am also bringing my 2 adopted desi dogs to Europe (Italy exactly) and I had to go through all these long procedures but they are finally ready to fly now. Let me know if you need more info or help.
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@ pennylessinindia
Thank you!! But i actually had the dr from pune now come to nashik (he drove 4 hours one direction!) to insert her the trovan chip since he also had a scanner to check before and after implantation. Now she is chiped and got her rabies shot :-) Thank you again for your offer!!

@madhubala
thanks for the advice with the rabies test....yeah i know...i wish now i would have taken her already earlier back to europe (austria) because i heard that dogs under 3 month can be brought after an official approval without being even vaccinated...which i think is stupid but on the other hand she is now just a bit over three months has all her shots almost finished (just one more time 7 in one) and now i have to wait after the blood serum test for another three months. And it might take even longer since i could do the test after a 30 day wait after the rabies vaccine which will come to the time when there is christmas holidays starting in europe and no lab has open....so that throws me for another month back :-( but never less I'm so happy to see here in this forum how committed people are and what they went through and how they support each other so that just gives me everyday a smile!
Thank you again to everybody!
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Good luck Luna and let us know if you need more information.
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has anyone used the new Veterinary forms yet - from the way it is worded looks like the dog has to see the Vet within 24 hours of travel
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I have send the new forms to my contacts in Europe to check it out but no reply back yet.

The rule that the dog needs to be checked 24 hours before travel was there already. It is no big deal, just a formality. If you have a friendly vet you ask him to check the dog when it suits you but give the date on the form of 24 hours before your departure.

By the way, two weeks ago we send a dog to Europe using the old forms and had no problems either in India or Europe.
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Some update on my/our situation. I had some blood taken and the dr. brought it to the lab that they can make a serum. I think its a human lab usually. I asked him to have two tubes prepared. After i had the serum i booked the ticket to austria the next day to hand over the serum to the lab there. Well beg. of january i got an email saying that the sample was not able to be checked. When i asked why they told me that either it was not good enough prepared (centrifuged) or that there was edta in the tube or anticoagulants,... anyways no concrete answer. So now I'm back to the start...so frustrating. Worst i don't know where it went wrong and if i try again well the sample ends up again in the lab in nashik...where they probably messed it up in the first place. I told the dr. over and over that he should take care of this issues that they don't take place (which tube to use, about the whole preparing procedure etc)...he said yes yes no problem....well now here i am with no result, again time lost and money. Do you think i should have a dr. come from mumbai who does the blood taking and preparation to get a serum plus also send it to europe to a lab?? In any case I'm gonna give her some rabies booster (not that i get a result the next time but with the titer maybe to low ;-) Does anybody have some advice please? Really I'm starting to get abit lost here.
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Originally Posted by birds View Post I have send the new forms to my contacts in Europe to check it out but no reply back yet.

The rule that the dog needs to be checked 24 hours before travel was there already. It is no big deal, just a formality. If you have a friendly vet you ask him to check the dog when it suits you but give the date on the form of 24 hours before your departure.

By the way, two weeks ago we send a dog to Europe using the old forms and had no problems either in India or Europe.
I think you can use the old forms up to 29 feb and then you have to use the new ones

Interesting about post dating will try and check this out
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Luna, maybe the quickest way is to book a weekend in Goa and get it all done here. The vet is well acquainted with the procedure. Perhaps I mentioned it before, it may make sense to fly the dog with ArkeFly to Amsterdam because for the Netherlands you can test the blood in India, so saving cost and hassle. Also Arkefly does not charge for the dog if you only have hand luggage.
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Originally Posted by luna888 View Post Some update on my/our situation. I had some blood taken and the dr. brought it to the lab that they can make a serum. I think its a human lab usually. I asked him to have two tubes prepared. After i had the serum i booked the ticket to austria the next day to hand over the serum to the lab there. Well beg. of january i got an email saying that the sample was not able to be checked. When i asked why they told me that either it was not good enough prepared (centrifuged) or that there was edta in the tube or anticoagulants,... anyways no concrete answer. So now I'm back to the start...so frustrating. Worst i don't know where it went wrong and if i try again well the sample ends up again in the lab in nashik...where they probably messed it up in the first place. I told the dr. over and over that he should take care of this issues that they don't take place (which tube to use, about the whole preparing procedure etc)...he said yes yes no problem....well now here i am with no result, again time lost and money. Do you think i should have a dr. come from mumbai who does the blood taking and preparation to get a serum plus also send it to europe to a lab?? In any case I'm gonna give her some rabies booster (not that i get a result the next time but with the titer maybe to low ;-) Does anybody have some advice please? Really I'm starting to get abit lost here.
Poor you. Wonder if the lab did not spin it correctly or the Vet did not use the correct tube?

i used

http://www.biobest.co.uk/assets/file...20Dec%2011.pdf - shows what they need

I believe they now have an agent in India
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HI pennylessinindia!
Actually i checked first with biobest in Uk. They have an office in delhi as well. I tried calling there but no one picks up. Then i contacted biobest in uk. They where very prompt with answering any question i had. Really helpful. Then i thought well since it is christmas I'm gonna decide to make a surprise visit at home and combine it with the sample delivery. I thought it might be better since i was concerned about mailing it. Well i better had it send to uk. I heard that they are really good and can carry out test where other labs might not be able to do so.
Well and i also only can wonder about what and where it went wrong...
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Originally Posted by luna888 View Post HI pennylessinindia!
Actually i checked first with biobest in Uk. They have an office in delhi as well. I tried calling there but no one picks up. Then i contacted biobest in uk. They where very prompt with answering any question i had. Really helpful. Then i thought well since it is christmas I'm gonna decide to make a surprise visit at home and combine it with the sample delivery. I thought it might be better since i was concerned about mailing it. Well i better had it send to uk. I heard that they are really good and can carry out test where other labs might not be able to do so.
Well and i also only can wonder about what and where it went wrong...
so you actually took it to the lab or posted it. I wonder then whether the sample was not correctly spun or was not not stored correctly. Why not ask them to give you exact reasons for being unable to carry out the test
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