Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur now open without permit...

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#16 Feb 17th, 2011, 15:01
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Originally Posted by theyyamdancer View Post Thanks for the clarification.

I am always a bit mystified about the difference between a Protected Area Permit and a Restricted Area Permit!
It's really mystified theyyam, very difficult to get someone who is 100% clear on the subject, I doubt even if the officials do have that clarity.

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Originally Posted by sdsudarsan View Post Thank you Theyyamdancer for "Please note that as of 1st January 2011, for the duration of one year, foreigners are no longer required to obtain PAPs/RAPs for Mizoram, Nagaland or Manipur.

Indian Nationals still require ILPs."

.... It does sound weird that Indian Nationals need permit while foreigners don't.

Yes it may sound weird when you just read this but may make sense if you look into it little deeper. PAP was an extra level of permit on and above Indian Visa, foreigners need to visit India and reasons of PAP introduction was different for different areas, sometimes may be because its a sensitive place, sometimes may be because of insurgency / militancy etc. Now reviewing current situation Govt wants to relax PAP so that foreigners can more easily visit these places and that would meet two clear objectives.

a. Encouraging Tourism and economic boost to these areas.
b. Sending a message loud and clear to world that Arunachal belongs to India.

Where as ILP's objective is completely different and to ensure that other Indian nationals can't settle in so called tribal and backward belt and there by giving an economic and cultural protection to those people.
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Ok, so what is the situation? Is RAP required for the whole Manipur/Nagaland (which means nothing has really changed), or just to some specific parts?
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Hello again antekm,

You are Polish? Not an Indian national? Then you do not need to apply for any permit to visit Manipur or Nagaland, UNLESS visiting sensitive areas next to army installations, as explained by kshil in post #8 above.

I myself hope to travel in Nagaland later this year. I was checking on various sites for the updated news. Apparently, foreign nationals are required to register upon arrival in Nagaland.

The best thing for you to do, antekm, is to enquire at your Indian Consulate when you apply for your Indian visa, as to the exact places that foreigners are allowed to visit.

If my experience in the North East is anything to go by, these things are not clear cut and the rules are shifting constantly.

Please do report back and let us know how it goes! Happy travels.
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Recent news, in today's online press report, at Sify:

http://www.sify.com/finance/northeas...rq4gjfecb.html

There is local opposition to the withdrawal of the Protected Area Permit for foreign tourists:

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Aizawl, Feb 17 (IANS) Many NGOs from the northeastern states have strongly opposed the central government's decision to do away with the Protected Area Permit (PAP), a mandatory official authorisation for foreigners to visit the region.

The central government had excluded Mizoram, Manipur and Nagaland from the PAP regime for a period of one year from Jan 1.

However, the regulation is in place for Arunachal Pradesh, bordering China.

A joint meeting of six NGOs and local organisations, including the Young Mizo Association (YMA), held in Aizawl on Thursday decided to oppose the central government's decision and submit a memorandum to the union home ministry demanding that the PAP be restored.
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Thanks for sharing Theyyam but very surprising indeed!! I didn't understand the merit of their concern except they are fearing that abolition of PAP may lead to similar kind of action in ILP regime which may really be a concern for them.
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Yes, I'm polish. It seems I should go there quickly, before they change their mind .
I have visa already, and definitely I don't want any more contact with Indian Mission Abroad at the moment . I'll just go and see what happens, if they don't let me in, there's enough interesting places in already open states to keep me busy even for few months (and I'm saying it after already having spent half year in NE India , I just love this region, which is for mysterious reasons completely omitted by most of the travellers).
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Originally Posted by kshil View Post RAP- Restricted area Permit is required by both Indian/Foreigners when ever anyone tries to visit a place with strategic / military significance and everyone would still need that and no change in RAP process so far.
RAPS are for foreigners. For Indians there are only ILPs. In some cases the areas of restriction coincide.

Restricted Areas - ANI, parts of Sikkim
Protected Areas - The NE states that have been discussed, parts of J&K, HP, UA, Rajasthan (also relaxed in 2010), and (other) parts of Sikkim.
Difference the difference in nomenclature makes - none, because someone or other will have to run around for a permit somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Dilliwala View Post P.S. 3 threads on the same subject? A merger would be in order.

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2 threads have been merged here on the freeing up of restrictions concerning Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur.

The ongoing sticky thread concerning the entire North East has not been merged since the Rules for Arunachal Pradesh and for other parts of the North East are still in place.
This thread was included in my count

http://www.indiamike.com/india/other...zoram-t125865/
(hadn't seen sbballer's thread in fact)

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This thread has also been merged with the present one, in order to keep them tidy. Thanks.
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Dilliwala, it is not so clearcut that RAPs are for foreigners and ILPs for Indian nationals. Maybe once upon a time it was that way! But now there is definitely a distinction between Protected Area Permits and Restricted Area Permits. Please do not ask me to explain. And please do not bring in the areas of Rajasthan and other states in this thread which is about Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur. It is quite complicated enough!
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I found this link yesterday, which only confuses me further:

http://www.fullstopindia.com/2010/06...ndia-tourists/
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Originally Posted by theyyamdancer View Post Dilliwala, it is not so clearcut that RAPs are for foreigners and ILPs for Indian nationals.
The official texts are very clear that that's the way it is. I've posted links to the definitions elsewhere. That the terms are interchanged is a different matter.

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But now there is definitely a distinction between Protected Area Permits and Restricted Area Permits.
Always has been. Apart from the text, which is as illuminating as a bulb with a broken filament, in the areas of operation/restriction.

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And please do not bring in the areas of Rajasthan and other states in this thread which is about Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur. It is quite complicated enough!
kshil wanted to know whether he was right or wrong re the definition of RAP. Since the text is as illuminating as........., the only other way to show the distinction is with the areas of operation/restriction. Doesn't mean this thread now encompasses the other states.
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Basically, if we attempt to look through the jargon, what does this mean? It is slightly easier for foreign nationals to visit Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur than it is for Indian nationals? Is that the crux of it? But that in order to go anywhere you please you still need permission?

Sorry Dilliwala to be pedantic.
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So ILP is for Indians and PAP and RAP are for foreigners and no one knows what the underlying prinicple that creates two different names other than the fact that some areas are termed as Restricted and some are Protected. The similarity is clear, foreigners need to get separate permit for either of these PAP or RAP Regimes.

Is this Statement correct Dilliwala?

If above is correct, let's try to make the latest PAP, RAP and ILP affected areas. One link here that is not updated to latest but not very obsolete either nicely indicates what is protected, what is restricted and where to go to get the permits. Can we update this based on latest status?

The site here looks good to me apart from the fact it coined another term, "Partially Protected Area" - Any clue Dilliwala? Even India Visa Application Centre at Dhaka, still listing almost the same places as restricted or protected but not as informative as the earlier one.
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I don't want to turn this thread into one on definitions of the whole permit regime, maybe the concerned posts can be moved to a relevant thread.
(Soon we'll need an entire sub-forum just about permits!)


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Originally Posted by theyyamdancer View Post Basically, if we attempt to look through the jargon, what does this mean? It is slightly easier for foreign nationals to visit Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur than it is for Indian nationals? Is that the crux of it?
Yes.

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But that in order to go anywhere you please you still need permission?
Shall I go into the various restrictions for various areas for different nationalities?
(Better not, I think I'll lose all sanity)



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Originally Posted by kshil View Post So ILP is for Indians and PAP and RAP are for foreigners and no one knows what the underlying prinicple that creates two different names other than the fact that some areas are termed as Restricted and some are Protected. The similarity is clear, foreigners need to get separate permit for either of these PAP or RAP Regimes.

Is this Statement correct Dilliwala?
Your statement was correct upto a few hours ago, it no longer is.
To start with, PAs are those where there are security issues/border disputes. RAs are where the intent appears to be the "protection" of tribal areas, etc.

After more searching tonight, what I have been able to reasonably deduce is that there are two basic differences betwee a PAP and a RAP (and due to relaxations in the permit regime, even those are now suitably blurred):

1) For a PAP, the 2/4 person group requirement applies/applied. No such requirement for a RAP.

2) PAP validity -
10 days (or 15, or 30 - didn't I say it's suitably blurred?). Extensions possible or not possible depending on the state (for varying periods).
RAP validity -
30 days. Extensions possible for 30 days.


(Shall I quote the full text of the Foreigners [Restricted Area] Order, 1963? Or the Foreigners [Protected Areas] Order, 1958? Just for fun? Any modern-day deductions on meaning/intent will be hit for a six.
I won't even start on the basis for ILP regulations in NE - the Bengal Eastern Frontier Regulation, 1873.
1873??? 18-freakin-73??? Sheeeeeesh................ )

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......let's try to make the latest PAP, RAP and ILP affected areas. One link here that is not updated to latest but not very obsolete either nicely indicates what is protected, what is restricted and where to go to get the permits. Can we update this based on latest status?
Be my guest.
(It's a minefield trying to figure out where the Inner Lines are - the correct info is difficult to get from any official website. On IM it's dealt with in different threads of the concerned sub-forum, which has worked upto now. If some brave soul wants to attempt collation, I wish him/her good luck )

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The site here looks good to me.........
Er, what? Have you seen the info e.g. for UA and Lakshadweep? There isn't even supposed to be info for LD.


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apart from the fact it coined another term, "Partially Protected Area" - Any clue Dilliwala?
I GIVE UP!!!


(Ok, e.g. for Sikkim - this is evidently the Restricted Area, as seen from the Remarks.
UA - To start with, ND Sanctuary? Sheesh...........that has nothing to do with the Home Ministry, or Inner Line/PA/RA. There's a blanket ban on entry of all souls for environmental reasons, issued by the forest authorities, into the Inner Sanctuary. No ILP/PAP/RAP possible, period. For the Outer Sanctuary, any person, Indian or foreign, can get a trekking permit against payment)
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Just took the bus from Guwahati to Imphal under the new no permit rules. No problem at all. No one asked for anything at the Nagaland border. At the Manipur border a guard asked my friend if he had a permit he replied we don't need permits anymore and the guard said ok. We entered passport numbers on a form and that was it, we went on our way.
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What is the best time (month/season) to visit these areas (i.e. Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur, Tripura)?

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Originally Posted by sbballer33 View Post Just took the bus from Guwahati to Imphal under the new no permit rules. No problem at all. No one asked for anything at the Nagaland border. At the Manipur border a guard asked my friend if he had a permit he replied we don't need permits anymore and the guard said ok. We entered passport numbers on a form and that was it, we went on our way.
@sbballer33: Have you posted details of your NE-tour anywhere in IM or in a blog? Where all are you planning to go and what route & mode are you taking for you travel in this area. Thanks in advance.

-KS
Last edited by ks_bluechip; Mar 15th, 2011 at 12:27.. Reason: added note to sbblaller33
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