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#1 Oct 7th, 2013, 11:57
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Hi Everyone, I thought as everyone was so helpful with my last ahem 'issue', I would come back and hope that someone could give me some much needed advice with regard to my maid and cook.

I've been here 3 months now and the first blush of my love affair is over and I feel just downright homesick. This isn't helped by the fact that I have two people working in my home who hold their hands out more frequently than my teenage daughter!

My maid comes at 9 and leaves at 4 and gets 12,000 a month. My cook comes at 3, leaves at 7 and gets 11,000 per month. Both work Mon-Fri only. They have both been with me 2 months. The cook now wants 1 Lak from me to pay off some loan sharks. The maid's Grandson is sick etc. etc.

Please someone tell me what the right way to deal with this is and no, I don't just have 1 Lak lying around to give.

Thank you in advance
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Are you in Chennai?
You are grossly overpaying your maid and cook by local standards. So they think you have no idea of the local economy.
Do not pay them any advance or loans.
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Candy for that kind of pay - I'll come and work at your place
Like Nayan said - you're paying waay over already.

A firm "Am sorry - I cannot give you a loan and/or advance" is the solution.
Be firm.
Do not - please do not give either of them anything other than their monthly pay - NO MATTER what the sob story.

Refuse to be their ATM [automated teller machine] - even after 6 months.
They're just checking out, if you are one.



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Originally Posted by nayan View Post Are you in Chennai?
You are grossly overpaying your maid and cook by local standards. So they think you have no idea of the local economy.
Do not pay them any advance or loans.
Hi nayan

Yes, I'm in Chennai. I got both through an Agency who told me what to pay. I had kind of figured that I was paying top salary for them but they are both very good at their jobs. I am told by many people that it's quite expected to advance salary etc.
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Thanks brishti - out of interest, what is the actual rate for a maid and cook in Chennai?
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Originally Posted by candycupcake41 View Post I am told by many people that it's quite expected to advance salary etc.
Nah - it's only expected - because they get it.
If you do feel the need to 'give in' at any moment - NOT BEFORE they've worked for 6 months, at least.
An advance of 1lakh is LUDICROUS.
If ever you give them an advance in future - not more than a month's pay.

Haven't a clue what the expected salary is - but I'm guessing it should be well within INR 10,000 per month, for each.
But you say, they're from an agency - hence I'm guessing, the high rate.
However, since you are satisfied with their work - and am guessing the agency has all their personal details, in case of any mishap...
it all even's out.



lots of 'guessing' from me but doubt am way off
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You are overpaying by a good amount. Even if they were to come on Saturdays and Sundays also, it would be considered much higher than the market rate. And a loan of Rs. 1 Lakh, that's a bloody joke. I would advance half a month to 1 month of pay at most. I also would think that the agency is getting a huge cut from their rather inflated monthly pay.
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I bet the agency gets 50% as commission and they run solely by providing to expats
I guess the actual rate would be 50% of what you are paying. Even that is quite generous.

Yes - it is quite normal to pay advance like Rs 1000 for people whose salary is like Rs 3000 to 4000. That too comes with stringent conditions of payback.
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Not sure if this is useful but here in Kerala

the maid gets Rs225 for working from 9 until 1.30.

She also gets breakfast, mid mornig tea & biscuits and lunch.

Most importantly she gets to abuse us and mouth off about how she could be earning Rs500 if she worked else where.

Agency maid.

Agency gets Rs900 up front then 500 every three months.
Maid gets Rs250 for worling 9 till 2, plus above meals.

If the maid takes time off you do not get a refund/extension on the agency fees.

Both types rob you blind, even stealing liquid soap, handfuls of sugar, soap powder etc.

They also ask for advances.
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Thanks brishti and bombayboy. You've made me feel much better and your advice has been invaluable and at least I know for sure now that I am paying a fair wage to them. Thank you again!
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The advantage of having a staff from an agency is ... like I mentioned above - the personal details of the staff is kept with the agency, generally - in case something goes awry.
To my mind - that is an advantage Candy, even though you're being charged that much more


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Getting Rs225 - I'd mouth off and then some, as well - agency or not
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JOHNLORD There was me thinking that we were going through 1KG of butter a week and I wondered why they have HUGE handbags. I'm still finding my feet in most things but I do mostly like it here. I'm even getting used to being stared at, pointed at, laughed at and having my photo taken every time I venture out and I've found that if I need a seat in the shopping malls, I just sit a foot away from a group of guys and they all stand up and leave! . I've heard Kerala is beautiful and a 'must see'?
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nayan, they DO solely provide to Expats! Hmmm :/
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...at least I know for sure now that I am paying a fair wage to them.
From your standpoint, you are paying an unfair wage to them!

One, you are overpaying them, as Nayan says by as much as double, and two, you could probably get one person to do all the work. Unless you have a huge house and family, how do you find so many hours work for a maid to do?

We do not employ a driver. We can't afford it, and he would sit idle for 90% of the time so it would be a waste. However, my son/daughter-in-law do. He's a very decent guy and gets 12,000 a month. Drivers get paid a lot more than maids.

I hate to sound like an exploitative employer saying this, but the Kerala situation is very different to here. That is one reason that my wife refuses to live there! Here, there are always people who want or need jobs, whereas, in Kerala, whether they need the job or not, they will pick and choose the employer, and come and go as they wish.

You may find yourself doing all kinds of stuff for employees, including festival, medical, educational, etc, expenses, but by then they will already have become "one of the family." Your people are jumping the gun. Such requests might come after years, not weeks, and even then you have the right to say no.

We paid a similar debt for a maid. Her salary now goes to paying off that debt. Frankly, it doesn't work: attitudes change in both employer and employee, whether we like to admit it or not.
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Originally Posted by candycupcake41 JOHNLORD There was me thinking that we were going through 1KG of butter a week and I wondered why they have HUGE handbags. I'm still finding my feet in most things but I do mostly like it here. I'm even getting used to being stared at, pointed at, laughed at and having my photo taken every time I venture out and I've found that if I need a seat in the shopping malls, I just sit a foot away from a group of guys and they all stand up and leave! . I've heard Kerala is beautiful and a 'must see'?
There seems to be a lull at the moment, but do try to come to an IM meet. You'll meet local people who you can talk too about such things.
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Hi Nick

Thanks for your reply. The maid doesn't want to cook and the cook doesn't want to clean/iron/do washing etc.

It is a big house that we're in and the maid definitely has her days filled. Besides, the Agency told me I must have two. I would much prefer just one person working for me. I find as an Expat that there's always someone whispering in your ear that you have a duty to give your money away to someone or another or employ someone or another. I've put my foot down and said no to a security guard!

I prefer to give my time which I do weekly in an orphanage here.

It seems pathetic but I'm finding it all really hard. I've always loved working in my own right but I only have a Dependents Visa so not allowed to work and I've lost the registration document that the FRRO gave me
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