50% ATMs in India may shut down by March 2019

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Nearly 50 per cent Automated Teller Machines (ATMs) may be shut down by March 2019 due to unviability of operations, hitting hard both urban and rural population, the Confederation of ATM Industry (CATMi) warned on Wednesday.


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We typically get an alarmist , world is going to end, sort of shout-out periodically from the losing side in the demonetization battle. Last was MasterCard crying foul and whining to the US government, finally nothing happened. This is one such , would've been nice had they found a photo from india - no shortage of ATMs atm (at the moment )
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Remember that this was once an international travelers site? If still some Farangs should accidentally stray onto this site, at least there is this information that might affect them badly, if it should ever come true. This type of news is not spreading internationally....Every traveler counts on ATMs available everywhere; the thought that many of them might close down - after all anything can happen in India-, might not cross their minds.
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Originally Posted by atala View Post Remember that this was once an international travelers site? If still some Farangs should accidentally stray onto this site, at least there is this information that might affect them badly, if it should ever come true. This type of news is not spreading internationally....Every traveler counts on ATMs available everywhere; the thought that many of them might close down - after all anything can happen in India-, might not cross their minds.

Really? - Iím under the impression that there are still thousands of foreigners on this site , besides why lament the passing of the old structure? Thatís history now. - think to the future for your travelling pleasure.

Thank someoneís god the Indians have taken over ( which I donít fully believe ) you canít beat firsthand on the ground live reporting and what makes things even better the Indians are smart enough to repackage the information in such an elequent way that even us stupid foreigners can sometimes understand whatís happening.
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It won't matter here anyway as at any point of time, at least 80% ATM's have just been empty boxes since demonetisation.

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50% ATMs in India may shut down by March 2019

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Originally Posted by atala View Post Remember that this was once an international travelers site? If still some Farangs should accidentally stray onto this site, at least there is this information that might affect them badly, if it should ever come true. This type of news is not spreading internationally....Every traveler counts on ATMs available everywhere; the thought that many of them might close down - after all anything can happen in India-, might not cross their minds.
Weird response to this issue.

If this ever happens, there is only one difference between those poor suffering tourists and us poor suffering residents. The tourists will suffer for just a few days or weeks; we will suffer every day, every week.

I don't know how the ATMs are run. I didn't know it is an outsourcing thing. Is that all banks or just some? There was a huge expansion in numbers a few years back, maybe it was easy money. Businesses really hate it and really shriek when easy money gets harder.
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Last year I watched an ATM that was hung get rebooted. The OS was Windows XP made me go woah that not very secure at all. I tried to convince my self that it must have direct connection back to the bank and not FTPing my and everyone else's info across the public internet. I used the same ATM just last week, no reason to believe it's not still running XP. If India's regulatory body is anything like the USA's PCI standard for electronic transactions then any card info that touches the wire is going to have to be verifiably secure.
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If this ever happens, there is only one difference between those poor suffering tourists and us poor suffering residents.
I think you did not read the article(s). The ATMs in the rural areas would be closed, those that are not updated, refurbished or whatever, not the ones in urban areas which are up to date.

Why was it a weird answer? I find a lot on Indiamike lacking for it to be a serious source of information for international travelers who do not read the Indian news.

This concerns a news item that could be as catastrophic as the demonetisation thing, if it came true. Fine if it does not, it is just a storm in a water glass. But at least it is mentioned here on this site for future reference, to remind people to also bring cash along, not only cards.
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Originally Posted by skids ghost View Post The OS was Windows XP made me go woah that not very secure at all.
It is Windows XP Embedded version. Linux is rarely used in ATM.


India tells its banks to get Windows XP off ATMs Ė in 2019
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RBI has now set a 2019 deadline for an upgrade which was supposed to happen in 2014.
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Originally Posted by atala View Post I think you did not read the article(s). The ATMs in the rural areas would be closed, those that are not updated, refurbished or whatever, not the ones in urban areas which are up to date.

Why was it a weird answer? I find a lot on Indiamike lacking for it to be a serious source of information for international travelers who do not read the Indian news.

This concerns a news item that could be as catastrophic as the demonetisation thing, if it came true. Fine if it does not, it is just a storm in a water glass. But at least it is mentioned here on this site for future reference, to remind people to also bring cash along, not only cards.
What do you want here? a headline that says This concerns tourists too? The thread is already in the Travel Basics section.

Of course the closure of rural ATMs would be disastrous. Here is the news item. You think it should be spelt out for tourists?
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But at least it is mentioned here on this site for future reference, to remind people to also bring cash along, not only cards.
Oh, you do.

Sorry, I don't see it. Except perhaps for the people who think that they can jump onto the beach of North Sentinel Island and not die, of course!

The thought of running anything on Windows-any-version makes me cringe, but then, security can be screwed up easily on other operating systems too. Some segments use very old versions of Windows which are hardened and supported by Microsoft. There was, and probably still is, Windows for Warships, used by the British Navy (It looks as if you want to launch a missile, would you like help with this?) as an example.

Goodness, next we'll be hearing that ATMs run on unlicensed copies of XP! Surely not!

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