Legalising marriage by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs

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#1 Mar 10th, 2008, 16:38
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I am not sure whether this is the right forum to put this question in...

I am married to an Indian national. We had an Arya Samaj ceremony and have registered the marriage at the registar office. Now I have to legalise the marriage certificate at the Dutch embassy to make it a legal marriage in the Netherlands as well. They say I first have to get it stamped by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Does anyone have experience with this procedure?
Does it mean we have to travel all the way to Delhi (I live in Chennai...)
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Hi mirjamd,

I have posted a link regarding the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which has information

http://meaindia.nic.in/apostille.htm
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Legalising marriage? Good grief, it'll be Cannabis next!

Seriously... how come Netherlands doesn't recognise a valid Indian marriage? What do Indian immigrant families do?

Chickpea seems to have the answer.
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Nick.... this legalising business is required by netherlands for documents from a handful of countries which includes India.
To get my netherlands work permit i had to get my birth certificate and marraige certificate "triple legalised" ie
1. verified and stamped at municipality level
2. verified and stamped at ministry of external affairs
3. verified and stamped by dutch embassy in India
The whole process took more than 3 months. the docs came back in a tattered and torn condition. Then I had to take the work permit and those sorry state docs to the netherlands consulate in Mumbai and get my visa.
Agencies appointed by my employers took care of everything. otherwise I would certainly not have jumped through all these hoops myself and absolutely refused to go.
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Thanks for the information, Chickpea and Nayan. So did you have to go to Delhi yourself to get the Apostille sticker, or could you send it by post?

The site of the ministry of external affairs mentions authentication by a local authority first. I guess that has already been done with the marriage registration?
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Legalising marriage? Seriously... how come Netherlands doesn't recognise a valid Indian marriage? What do Indian immigrant families do?
The marriage is legal alright. The authentication of the documents is required.

The procedure derives from the Hague Convention Abolishing the Requirement for Legalisation for Foreign Public Documents which requires a chain of certifications. First by the local authority, then by the competent authority of the sending state which certifies that the local authority is a real one authorised to do the certifications, and then by a competent authority of the receiving state that the competent authority of the sending state is the "real" competent authority.
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How confusing.

Mind you, my Indian marriage certificate is just typed on a piece of paper; anyone could have done it, although it does have a rubber stamp.
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The Dutch being a tolerant society is a just a rumour.

They can give the Indians a run for their money when it comes to bureaucracy.

and don't get me started on their cuisine...........

by the way Nick-H, cannabis is not legalized, it's decriminalized, the attitide to smokers is the same as any other country.
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... I wasn't particularly thinking of your country when I wrote that, more of the slogans of my own motherland!
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I just had an email from the Dutch embassy. They say it is not mandatory to register the marriage. But if you want to register it in the Netherlands for future references and declarations, you have to go through all the steps of the procedure.

So I might just leave it at this for now, since we are not planning to live in the Netherlands anyway..

And chickpea, you're right about Dutch cuisine Thank god I know how to cook Indian food now

And by the way, the future of the greatest Dutch symbol, coffeeshops is at stake with the anti-smoking rules in bars coming up..
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My Certificate is the same as yours Nick!
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Originally Posted by mirjamd View Post since we are not planning to live in the Netherlands anyway..
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lucky you, some of us can only dream.

mirjamid, I only had information, no personal experience. I'm glad to see that you have sorted it out.
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Originally Posted by Aishah View Post My Certificate is the same as yours Nick!
I got mine laminated soon after the wedding but that didn't stop the various goverment agencies (I applied to) from trying to fold and fit the A3 size document in to the smallest possible envelope.
That is after I provided my own envelope (due to size)and even offered to pay for courier!
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Originally Posted by mirjamd View Post Thanks for the information, Chickpea and Nayan. So did you have to go to Delhi yourself to get the Apostille sticker, or could you send it by post?

The site of the ministry of external affairs mentions authentication by a local authority first. I guess that has already been done with the marriage registration?
mirjamd
In my case, my company has an agency to do all this stuff. I just gave them the docs and an authorization letter. I didnot have to visit any of the offices myself.
I would suggest you do the same when you need it.
Just another info - the certificates and the legalisation should not be more than 6 months old when u go for Visa or go for registration in netherlands.
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Hi Mirjam,

I'm from netherlands too and went trough the same thing to legalize a marriage document and birth certificate.

After having the marriage document produced by a official wedding registrer, so not some vague church or temple document given at the time of marriage, first step is you will have to go with your document to the FRO foreigner registration officer in chennai, located in the tamil nadu government building, not in Shastri Bawahn. (In my case after that first step i had to go back to my municipality government than again to chennai, but because i supose you live in chennai it might be easier.) Check that spelling of names on the document is correct, one wrong letter can become a big problem.

After you received the final stamp from the FRO the easiest procedure is to go to a travel agent, a good one with a good network can also take care of documents. I can recommand Akbar Travels Chennai phnr.+914428333939, they did quite a good job for a reasonable price.

They will send it to their agent in Delhi and the document will be back in chennai whitin a week. (in my case)
After MHA attestation they will send it to the dutch consulate in mumbai, this takes aprox. 1 to 2 weeks.

The document is now legalised and when in the netherlands you can register your marriage.

I advice you to do this as soon as possible, you never know what the future brings and when you have children later on and you want to apply for a dutch passport, schengen visa or just travel abroad together you will be glad you got your papers legalized. i did it 2 years after marriage and had a lot of problems.

IMPORTANT NOTE:
the dutch consulate in mumbai WILL NOT legalize a document if a document is issued more than 6 months ago, so check the date cause afer 6 months you'll have to get a new wedding document and do the whole procedure again.

hope you have some good info

regards
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