Indian-German marriage

#1 Dec 19th, 2012, 16:43
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I want to seek guidance from all Indian nationals who have married German nationals, please tell me how did you overcome the situation I am facing currently(I have described below). Did you marry in India or Germany or a third country. How much time did it take? How easy or difficult it was to get marriage visa to Germany?

In my case, indian with my boyfriend who is German, we have passed almost 2 years since the time we decided to get married trying to make it happen. Unfortunately till today we have not been able to solve this complicated situation.
After my return from UK due to visa expiry, I have been living in Delhi and he is living in Dusseldorf. We explored all possibilities in India and Germany but met dead end. I needed to submit a document called "certificate of marriageability" to Dusseldorf marriage registrar. After this, the next step is verification run by German embassy in Delhi on the credibility of the document. Then German embassy of Delhi will then send the result of verification to Dusseldorf marriage registrar. A marriage officer will then issue a certificate of marriageability to my boyfriend. He will then require to present it to the Delhi German embassy who will then issue a "no objection certificate" - a document required to marry a foreigner in India under Special Marriage Act or Christian Marriage Act. Hindu marriage act does not apply as he is Christian. But the whole problem is that I cannot submit this certificate of marriageability as this document is not issued in India. And so I made an affidavit duly apostilled by Ministry of external affairs but the Dusseldorf marriage registrar rejected the affidavit. Then I visited the Magistrate of Delhi and requested a letter of non-existence of such document in India. In the mean time my boyfriend was also able to get some written text on non-existence of such document from the Delhi German embassy. After 4 months of continuous rejection, one officer finally accepted the documents set in the Dusseldorf registrar to execute the marriage. The verification process time in 2-3 months on paper, it's been 5 months without any news. And when we try to inquire about status at Dusseldorf marriage registrar, the officer says he does know about where in verification process it is lying and they do not contact German embassy to inquire about the status of verification.We have no choice but to just wait to hear from them. This is leading to a really depressing situation now.

We also tried to explore options on third country to get married at. And found that almost all country required to prove on document that the parties are single which is justified but does not seem compatible with differences in Indian and German bureaucracies. This also means that we will have to undergo the same process which is happening otherwise also for us. Will try my luck at Denmark after some time, I can not initiate it now as my original documents are with Dusseldorf marriage registrar and my boyfriend will also be able to procure single status certificate through this process.

Any suggestions/guiding thoughts/experiences is much appreciated.
Thanks in advance
#2 Dec 19th, 2012, 17:10
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Welcome to IndiaMike, Saira. Unfortunately I can't help you directly, but if you have a look at "similar threads" at the bottom of the page you will see some threads probably useful to you. I remember a German-Indian couple here who posted their procedure with all German expressions of needed documents etc. I will see if I can find it.

Good luck for both of you!
#3 Dec 19th, 2012, 17:19
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Here is some information about the process of getting married in Denmark (text is in German):


http://www.indien-aktuell.de/viewtopic.php?t=9463
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Thanks Federica..

I have read all similar threads, unfortunately haven't found any advice or experiences on solutions.
#5 Dec 19th, 2012, 20:31
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hey Saira,

I hope my advice could help you a little. I went through the same struggles to get married to my Husband. I am Indian and he is German.

However after all the struggles we found our way through the system.

Getting married in Germany- Since you said they dont accept your affidavit its useless to go this direction as from India one could only get an affidavit no special certificate. Also if you get an affidavit from your parents they send police verification to check n blah blah.

Getting married in India- The catch here is the notice period. The paper work is easy but you and your fiance have to give a notice period where he has to show entry into India and stay during that period. Well since your fiance has to work that will be impossible.

Getting married in Denmark-

Ofcourse you will need a schengen-tourist Visa to marry and need to come back to India to apply for your family reunion visa and can only join your partner in 2 months max!

But trust me it is worthwhile. I know people who wasted so much time and money waiting for clearance from German büros.

Documents:

Yes, they also need the single status certificate but your self stating affidavit that you are single which is attested by MEA is enough. (If im right you have it already)

For your fiance, he just needs to go to the stadt büro and ask for Aufenthaltsbesheinigung!! It takes 3 minutes to print it out.

As for other documents from you
Birth certificate (No attestation req)
Passport with visa

For you partner
German Passport
Birth certificate
Aufenthaltsbescheinigung

you can send it through email yourself to the following kommunes:

Haderslev Kommune (http://www.haderslev.dk/sprogvalg/english)
Tønder Kommune (http://www.toender.dk/Borger/In-English.aspx)

The communes are hardly 2 hrs from Hamburg. Also, the easiest option will be using one of the marriage service firms like Heiraten-leicht-gemacht (http://www.heiraten-leicht-gemacht.d...h/service.html) they are super flexible and will take care of all your needs from documentation to timings.

You can write to me if you need to know more things in detail. Applying for a family reunion visa from India will be a piece of cake . I know its hard to go through seperation right after the marriage.

Cheers
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Hi Devbaum,

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply with so much details.
I just spoke to Karsten from Heiraten-leicht-gemacht and I can finally see light at the end of long dark tunnel. Have been in Germany for past 2 months, only if I had known about Denmark, I could have tried solving this problem in this trip only. Hopefully I will nail this problem in my next visit to my fiancee.

Just some doubts - if i withdraw my marriage application in Germany now which means Delhi embassy's current verification process, hopefully this should not create problems in getting family reunion visa from Delhi embassy.

I do not have a document from the required list for family reunion visa - ration card. Going by the previous experiences, I think embassy might press for it. Any thoughts?

Thanks again.
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well I really dont know the consequences of withdrawal. However I dont think it would be problem, at the end of the day the point is you are married to your partner and no one can change that.

The family reunion visa guidelines given are general for both partners wanting to join their indian spouses in Germany and then the case of joining a German spouse. Just give a ring to the German embassy and ask them if this is required and what else can you do if they press for it.

Im sure its a lil more flexible when you get married to a German.

All the best. Im sure Karsten will help you with the marriage documentation.
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Finally I found the thread I was looking for:

http://www.indiamike.com/india/marri...urope-t173461/

It's not 100% your situation, as one partner is Romanian living in Germany, but many helpful suggestions about getting married in Denmark and what to do after is there.
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Thanks a lot for your help Federica.

I have read this thread earlier. Hoping it works out in Denmark.
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Hi devbaum,

Thanks for your reply.

I hope it goes smoothly but it will not be before a couples of months from now due to my work.

Will reach you for more guidance if I face any hurdle further.

Thanks
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Hello Saira!
My husband (indian) and me (german) went through similar struggles before marriage (and even more after, but that is another story.. ), so maybe I can help you out in finding another solution!
In Germany there is one ducument called "Erweiterte Meldebscheinigung", it is a official residence registration document, where also the marital status is given. It already contains an english translation.
So my suggestion is, if you still want to marry in India, you go to your family court and ask the DC (or who ever is in charge) there, if he/she accepts this paper, in case he/she does all the NOC work is not necessary anymore!
It worked out in my case in Mumbai and I know of one case in Delhi also!
I wish you best of luck!
Greetings, Asha!
#12 Jan 12th, 2013, 14:07
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Hi Asha,

Thanks for your reply. I will find out about this document and inquire at local registrar in Delhi. Was Indian marriage certificate accepted by German authorities - Standesamt and visa officers.

If I may ask, can you pls share the difficulties you encountered after marriage on any paper work you have mentioned above, i think it will only be helpful for me to know about the problems i am not aware of as of now.

Thanks
#13 Jan 14th, 2013, 22:15
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Ok, I share my story and hope you don´t mind my poor english!

The main problem we faced was due to the fact, that we had (for some reasons which were not in our hands) our religious marriage first and then wanted to have the court marriage, which was not possible anymore, we were already married, so only registering was possible.
The short version is: We got wrong advice by a lawyer, housing society refused to issue some papers for the registration (cause I am a foreigner), a local politician was willing then to issue the necessary papers, my name was put in the ration-card, an afidavit had to be produced and 9 months later we were finally legally married!

All this you will not face, cause your court marriage will be held and so it is registered already!

Do you plan to live in Germany?

In that case you could face is a delay in the visa process! It took another 6 months for my husband to arrive in Germany after applying for the family reunion visa! In our case an email got "lost", so the process was stoped without our knowledge...

I want to say some general things, which were told to me about the different processes in both countries.

For Germany you should not need a certificate of marriagability, you have to apply for a marriage visa. In the process of that your birth certificate will be approved for legality by a lawyer send by the embassy. This will take at least 3 months and has to be innitiated by the "Standesamt" in Düsseldorf. So your boyfriend should go and inquire there for the exact process.
After marriage you have to go to the "Ausländerbehörde" (foreigners office) and apply for residence permit.

For India you should ask your authorities regarding the "Erweiterte Meldebescheinigung". As I know it is not necessary, that the foreign partner has to stay in India for the entire time of the notice period. He has to be present for giving the notice period and for the marriage itself, but in between he can stay in Germany.
In any case of a marriage in India the process of paper aproval will be held after the marriage. The marriage certificate and your birth certificate have to be checked.
This will take also at least 3 months.

In both options you have to pass a German test at Max-Mueller-Bhavan in the level A1 for applying for a visa. Without that certificate your application won´t be accepted!

As my english is not the best, I would suggest your fiancée logs into the forum Federica already mentioned for more detailed information. There many legal advices have been given and experiences have been shared!
I am not sure, but I think currently you can´t send me a pm, cause I haven´t posted enough...
But if it is possible, then you can send me a message and I could explain everything more detailed and the in correct legal terms in German to your boyfriend.

Regards, Asha!
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Originally Posted by Asha11 View Post my english is not the best
It is much better than that of many a "native" speaker.
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Originally Posted by Golghar View Post It is much better than that of many a "native" speaker.
Haha!
Thank you, thank you!
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