What does a colon mean in Devanagari?

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A quick question. I'm trying to translate something which sometimes has a colon (or what looks to me like a colon) after a one-syllable word. What does this signify?
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What does a colon mean in Devanagari?

I think it is to be read as an aspiration. It is a "normal" symbol in devnagari writing. At least, that is what i believe it to be.
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Thanks but I'm not sure what you mean by an aspiration. Is it about pronunciation? Or a kind of pause or breathing space?
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What does a colon mean in Devanagari?

It is like giving extra breath, like the kha vs ka "consonants", a bit like inserting an extra 'h' sound after the vowel sound (the colon typically follows vowel sound)
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Thanks mchp92 and nayan.
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I was going to say "Antadi". Then I realized you are talking about the other colon.
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":" is used in two different way - one to stress like a (pronounced as "a") and a: (pronounced as "ah").

Secondly if it comes after any name, it is used as says like in a script of screen play or drama.

Also please see chart here. You will find Hindi pronunciation also here.
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Thanks guys. RWe, I like that video!

But it seems to only cover अ: - something like aha. What if it's के: for example? Does this have any difference in meaning from के ?



Also, can anyone tell me what झूट जाना jhut jana means please?
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What does a colon mean in Devanagari?

With your 'ke:' exame the pronunciation would be something like 'keha' (very short a sound)

As for jhoot jana - often the verb jana is combined with the stem if another verb, to emphasize a suddenness of happening or changing state. For instance, with haansna (laugh), haans jana would mean something like 'suddenly bursting out laughing'. A very common use is with hona - to be. Ho jana means 'become' (as in turning into). There still is a difference though with a verb like banna (to become). Banna is more like becoming though effort or gradual development. Ho jana is a sudden change.

That bings us back to your jhoot jana. Unfortunately my Oxord dictionary didnt have any listing for the spelling you provided of jhoot. Can you copy paste the whole phrase?
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Wonder if JuliaF is reading Ghalib but

jhoot is a lie, falsehood.
jana is to go

(jaana, on the other hand, is beloved, the jana above is pronounced the same way, so confusing.)

If not reading Ghalib, ignore this. If so, that first line in the couplet (Tere vaade par jiye ham to yeh jaan jhoot jana) means 'That I was living on your promise is a lie'


PS I think there is nothing like के:
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What does a colon mean in Devanagari?

[QUOTE=capt_mahajan;1730022]Wonder if JuliaF is reading Ghalib but

jhoot is a lie, falsehood.
jana is to go
/QUOTE]


Yes I did find that "lie" too. But that would be jhooth (aspirated retroflex T), not jhoot. I think beloved would be 'jaan', not 'jaanaa'
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In written Hindi the visarga ("colon") only occurs in so-called tatsamas, i.e. words taken directly from Sanskrit. An example would be क्रमशः (= in following order, respectively). It can be pronounced as an escape of breath after the vowel but for most speakers it remains silent. The word दुख (=sadness, tragedy) is written दुःख in Sanskrit. In texts printed in the earlier part of the last century this is how it was written. The spelling was later adapted to the the way native speakers of Hindi pronounced it, i.e. in one syllable without an aspiration after the short "u".

As for झूट जाना, are you sure it isn't meant to be छूट जाना ?

झूट is a non-standard pronunciation for झूठ. If it occured in writing any self-respecting teacher or proof-reader would mark it as an error. There is no idiomatic expression juxtaposing झूठ with जाना।
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That is why I wondered. The jhoot jana sounded funny until I remembered Ghalib's couplet (see first line of that in my last post)

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But that would be jhooth (aspirated retroflex T), not jhoot. I think beloved would be 'jaan', not 'jaanaa'
Yeah, jhooth sounds better. Jaanaa and jaan can mean the same thing, beloved. Jaan actually means life.

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