No tourism in core areas of tiger reserves: SC

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#31 Jul 25th, 2012, 21:20
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If I have understood the reason behind the Supreme Court ruling correctly then the Supreme Court was forced to take this step as the tiger reserves failed to notify their core and buffer zones. Very few tiger reserves (including Jim Corbett) have clearly marked core and buffer zones.

Notification of core and buffer areas will lead to relocation of villagers from the core areas, which can be a sensitive and complicated issue. And that explains reluctance on part of the national parks to mark core areas.

Ban on tourist activity in core areas is temporary and hopefully by the time tiger reserves reopen after the monsoon break, things will get sorted out. However, one thing is not clear from the honorable court's order i.e. why to include the national parks with clearly marked core areas under the ban.

Now coming to the impact of ban on poaching.....there is no empirical evidence (atleast in my knowledge) to suggest that the tourist activity dissuades poachers. And no recorded instances of tourist activism (for tiger conservation) either.

Most of the tiger deaths reported in the media are based on the voluntary disclosures by the relevant forest officials. So it is entirely up to them to hide tiger deaths and jack-up the tiger population numbers.

Anti-poaching initatives entirely depend on the will and the capabilities (equipment wise) of the forest officials.

As far as ground-preparedness of the forest department is concerned, JituYadav has already thrown light on it.

Once instance will let you know about the will of the forest department for wildlife conservation....few years back a resort and a mattle road was allowed to be constructed inside a national park flouting all rules. Moreover, license for fishing was also granted, which should not have been done at the first place. I can only hope that it was a one-off incidence but I know I am hoping against the hope.
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Originally Posted by PeakXV View Post Most likely not but it certainly might decrease it. For example, how would people with binoculars & cameras passing through your bedroom - affect 'your' mating instincts/rituals? I think you might have missed the tiger's point(of view).
Dont be so nosy about my mating habits, worry about your own. LOL

Tigers dont recognise tourists, sitting in jeeps, as something to worry about when mating, or at any other time, except when they become too noisy, as anyone who has visited a wildlife sanctuary will testify. Many cars, and safari trucks, sit for 4-5 days while lions mate in Kruger.
They even use the vehicles there to ambush prey.

Now, moving on to my other comment about the Lions in Gir.
They are'nt struggling to multiply, are they, and they were in a far worse situation than the tigers are.
I was there in February, and saw many young cubs.

For that matter, I also saw many cubs in Pench, Kanha, Bandhavgarh, and Corbett ! So it seems that tigers dont mind the tourists so much.
What the tigers want/need, in order to survive, is for mankind to stop killing them. Afterall, that seems to be the main problem, but nobody seems to want to see that.

There is none so blind, as they who wont see.
Clear the crap from your eyes supreme court judges
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Originally Posted by FUGLY View Post Tigers dont recognise tourists, sitting in jeeps, as something to worry about when mating, or at any other time, except when they become too noisy, as anyone who has visited a wildlife sanctuary will testify.
The diesel cantors are the noisiest most polluting animal in the jungle unfortunately. It's hard to say who, what & when they might disrupt at any time.

Certainly, it's well known that the gypsy's at Ranthambor have been chased by male tigers(one in particular and appropriately named 'Charger') during mating season on several occasions in the past .... so I think that 'not recognizing tourists in vehicles' is a situational & by no means universal rule. Hormones can cause unpredictability .... in any species.

Hopefully, the majority of the tigers can discern between an approaching jeep with camera snapping tourists .... as opposed to gun-toting thugees. I fear not ....
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You are quite correct about tigers charging jeeps, but then I know Jack Russel terriers, that would attack a chieftan tank, and never had any problems siring pups.

99 out of every 100 tigers or lions, would not take any notice of a jeep.
In their world, they are "top dog". All they are interested in, is what can they eat, or mate with. Charger (from Bandhavgarh incidently not Ranthambore)may just have had a fettish for petrol fumes, or gypsies.

Just about every national park in the world, has wildlife tourism of some kind. Polar bears, Panda's, Orang utans, all critically endangered species, why should it be so different in India ?
You can betcha... there's a motive, and that motive will be money.. with a Capital Money

I bet, the outcome of this will be, a greatly increased cost of tiger tours
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Originally Posted by FUGLY View Post Charger (from Bandhavgarh incidently not Ranthambore)may just have had a fettish for petrol fumes, or gypsies.
This was in the early 1990s!? Are you involved in the tiger tourism business somehow?
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Heavily involved, I keep them in business.
Its my favourite passtime, and if you had'nt worked it out already, I'm fanatical about it.
I go to tiger parks, more often than the average Indian goes to cricket matches

Forgive me, the Charger I refer to was more recent.
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Originally Posted by FUGLY View Post Heavily involved, its my favourite passtime, and if you had'nt worked it out already, I'm fanatical about it.
I go to tiger parks, more often than the average Indian goes to cricket matches
Okay, so you are based in India not the UK?
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Sheesh ! Monkey see - Monkey Do.

After a few phone calls, and calling one marker. Here is the lowdown.

1. Numero Uno: The last "judgement" that the Supreme Court gave on tiger preservation was dated October 20th, 2010 arising out of a criminal appeal.

There is a PIL currently in progress which focusses on directives and notifications given in Jan, Feb and also April of 2012. Which of course none of the media or chattering class cared to read or pay attention to [What else is new. If it aint in the Sun or DailyMail it aint news, or is it TOI and NDTV ? ]

What happened on Tuesday, is called a daily order. Rendered while the court hears the full motion. The pea brained media, on a low news cycle (no cricket, no major scams, a lull before the Olympics had to do something to fill the ink and.or the airwaves. )

The Daily Order:
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ITEM NO.1 COURT NO.12 SECTION IVA

S U P R E M E C O U R T O F I N D I A
RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS

Petition(s) for Special Leave to Appeal (Civil) No(s).21339/2011

(From the judgement and order dated 19/01/2011 in WP No.12351/2010 of The
HIGH COURT OF M.P AT JABALPUR)

AJAY DUBEY Petitioner(s)

VERSUS

NATIONAL TIGER CONSERVATION AUTH.& ORS. Respondent(s)

(With appln(s) for permission to file additional documents and directions
and exemption from filing O.T. and impleadment as party respondent and with
prayer for interim relief and office report)
(FOR FINAL DISPOSAL)

Date: 24/07/2012 This Petition was called on for hearing today.

CORAM :
HON'BLE MR. JUSTICE SWATANTER KUMAR
HON'BLE MR. JUSTICE FAKKIR MOHAMED IBRAHIM KALIFULLA

For Petitioner(s) Mr. Raj Panjwani,Sr.Adv. (A.C.)
Mr. Rahul Choudhary,Adv.
Mr. Ritwick Dutta,Adv.

Ms. Prerna Mehta,Adv.

For Respondent(s) Mr. S.P. Singh,Sr.Adv.
Mr. D.S. Parmar,Adv.
Mr. Susheel Tomer,Adv.
Mr. Anil Kumar Gupta-II,Adv.

Mr. Sanjay Upadhyay,Adv.
Ms. Lalitha Kaushik,Adv.
Mr. Tushar Thareja,Adv.
Ms. Divya Sharma,Adv.

Mr. S. Wasim A. Qadri,Adv.
Mr. L.R. Singh,Adv.
Mr. Zaid Ali,Adv.

Mr. B. Balaji,Adv.
Mr. R. Rakesh Sharma,Adv.
Mr. Krishnamoorthy,Adv.

Mr. V.N. Raghupathy,Adv.
Mr. B.S. Prasad,Adv.

Mr. Shiv Prakash Pandey,Adv.
Mr. Rajeev K. Dubey,Adv.
Mr. Raghav Pandey,Adv.

Ms. Ruby Singh Ahuja,Adv.
Ms. Deepti Sarin,Adv.
Mrs. Manik Karanjawala,Adv.
Ms. Shruti Katakey,Adv.
M/s. Karanjawala & Co.

Mr. Rohit Sharma,Adv.
Mr. Abhijit P. Medh,Adv.

Mr. Anil Shrivastav,Adv.
Mr. Rituraj Biswas,Adv.

Mr. Anshuman Singh,Adv.
Mrs. Anuradha Mutatkar,Adv.

Mr. Vikas Upadhyay,Adv.
Mr. B.S. Banthia,Adv.

Mr. Jasbir Singh Malik,Adv.
Mr. Milind Kumar,Adv.

Mr. Lakshmi Raman Singh,Adv.

Ms. Anita Shenoy,Adv.

Ms. C.K. Sucharita ,Adv

UPON hearing counsel the Court made the following
O R D E R


Vide order dated 3.4.2012 this Court had noticed that
despite earlier directions some of the States had not issued
notifications for core and buffer areas of Tiger Reserve in
India in accordance with the provisions of the Wildlife
(Protection) Act, 1972. These States include Jharkhand,
Rajasthan, Andhra Pradesh, Arunachal Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh,
Tamil Nadu, Bihar, Karnataka and Maharashtra. The above States
were granted time to issue notification and file affidavits on
record.
The affidavits were not filed by most of the States and
again vide our order dated 10.7.2012 we had directed the States
to file affidavits along with the respective notifications. It
was further directed that all other served States are granted
final opportunity to place their respective stand by way of
affidavit on record within two weeks from that date. Despite
the above orders, the States of Andhra Pradesh, Arunachal
Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Bihar, Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh and
Jharkhand have not filed affidavits. We see no reason as to why
the order of this Court should not have been complied with
without default.
Counsel appearing for the States of Jharkhand and Arunachal
Pradesh state that they have the notifications and would be
filing affidavits within a short time. While other States have
not even made an attempt to issue notifications in relation to
all the areas in their States which are Tiger Reserved Areas.
Subject to payment of Rs.10,000/- (Rupees Ten Thousand only), as
cost, by each State, we grant final opportunity for issuing
notification and placing the same on record with affidavits
explaining the circumstances for delay. We make it clear that
if now the affidavits are not filed, the Court would be
compelled to take proceedings under the Contempt of Courts Act
for non-compliance of the order of the Court as well as impose
exemplary cost to the tune of Rs.50,000/- (Rupees Fifty Thousand
only) payable by the Secretary of the concerned States.
Let affidavits along with notifications now be filed
positively within three weeks from today. No further extension
of time would be granted to any State.
The cost of Rs.10,000/- (Rupees Ten Thousand only) imposed
on the defaulting States shall be deposited with the Supreme
Court Legal Service Committee.
The National Tiger Conservation Authority of India had
placed on record the guidelines on 9th July, 2012. The copies
of the said guidelines are stated to have been furnished to all
counsel. However, the counsel who have not received the said
copy are at liberty to collect the same from the Registry of
this Court or from the learned counsel appearing for the Union
of India. The comments in relation to the guidelines, if any,
should also be filed within three weeks from today. We would
take up the matter in relation to finalization of the guidelines
on the next date of hearing. Upon finalization the Government
of India would be at liberty to issue appropriate notification,
duly prescribing utilization and restrictions with regard to the
core and buffer areas.
We make it clear that till the final directions issued by
this Court with reference to the guidelines submitted by the
National Tiger Conservation Authority of India, core zone or the
core areas in the Tiger Reserved Areas will not be used for
tourism.
The petition to come up for final arguments on 22.8.2012.


(NARENDRA PRASAD)

COURT MASTER | |(RENUKA SADANA)

COURT MASTER | |

Take out your favorite lisp interpreters and parse away. Any IMer who is so passionate enough can try and be present at Tilak Marg for the final hearing in August. Call in advance for details from the Deputy registrar's office
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I think the SC is just enforcing a ruling that already exists. From personal experience, a few years ago while we were on the Kabini river looking for wildlife, the forest guards got to a point where the landscape started to look really interesting and turned the boat back. When I asked why he had turned around, he said that they were not allowed to go any further as that would "disturb the animals"

At that time, I was not too happy. I was there to see the animal's wasn't I? Later on, after talking to some top Forest Dept Administrators, I learned that they were certain zones in the forest which had a best wild life (I suspect being referred to by the SC as a "core zones" where tourist was not allowed. So at that time, at least Karnataka Kerala were enforcing these rules. I suspect the other states were not, hence the SC ruling.

So, I think this is a positive development. It just prevents tourists from going to places they were not supposed toin the first place. Now, will this actually reduce poaching? That remains to be seen.
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Originally Posted by FUGLY View Post Tigers dont recognise tourists, sitting in jeeps, as something to worry about when mating, or at any other time, except when they become too noisy, as anyone who has visited a wildlife sanctuary will testify. Many cars, and safari trucks, sit for 4-5 days while lions mate in Kruger. They even use the vehicles there to ambush prey. ..

..For that matter, I also saw many cubs in Pench, Kanha, Bandhavgarh, and Corbett ! So it seems that tigers dont mind the tourists so much.
I have not seen lions mating, but I have seen a Tiger couple during mating season, and the tigers were absolutely keeping an eye on us at all times. This was in Bandipur. May be the tigers up north are different. And apparently, there have been episodes of the Tiger charging people during mating season to either get rid of them, or to show off to his mate.

I am sure you have seen the Tiger attack video? This one was with her cubs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdKFioMyieQ

There is a mock charge that occurs at o.24 and a real one at 2:50
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Originally Posted by Photofreak View Post ...few years back a resort and a mattle road was allowed to be constructed inside a national park flouting all rules..
We even have a national highways running through national parks. Here's one.

Link to map ok.. the road was originally built a long time ago.

Traffic regularly kills animals on this road as wildlife crosses. But, will all the elevated highways/roads/flyovers the country is busy building in the cities, shouldn't they consider something similar here?
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Now we are making some head way, thanks for making this thread come to life guys.

@ PeaXV
I live in the UK, and go to India, and Africa as often as possible.
In the last 15 months, I have clocked up in excess of 150 safaris.
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Originally Posted by FUGLY View Post I live in the UK, and go to India, and Africa as often as possible.
In the last 15 months, I have clocked up in excess of 150 safaris.
As a tour leader/operator/owner, for business ... or just for leisure?
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Pure, unadulterated, pleasure
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Great - do provide a link with your tiger images ... you're IM gallery is currently empty I believe.
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