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#31 Mar 26th, 2009, 14:36
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Reg RQWL

Train No.9037 SL class 16 & 17 WL

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Originally Posted by ksatish_s View Post Train no.is 9037 avadh exp.then what to do will i cancel my ticket or wait for another few days.
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Dear Satish,

##Please look at this:
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9037 AVADH EXPRESS 19-04-2009 BANDRA TERMINUS
KOTA JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 19- 4-2009 WL 76/WL 64 WL 1/WL 1
2 21- 4-2009 WL 39/WL 31 WL 2/WL 2
3 22- 4-2009 WL 74/WL 48 AVAILABLE- 0002
4 24- 4-2009 WL 74/WL 50 WL 2/WL 2
5 26- 4-2009 WL 37/WL 30 WL 2/WL 2
6 28- 4-2009 WL 47/WL 27 WL 1/WL 1
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9037 AVADH EXPRESS 19-04-2009 BANDRA
TERMINUS AGRA FORT GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - SL Class -3A
1 19- 4-2009 REGRET/WL 300 WL 16/WL 11
2 21- 4-2009 REGRET/WL 300 WL 34/WL 23
3 22- 4-2009 WL 399/WL 265 WL 17/WL 13
4 24- 4-2009 REGRET/WL 302 WL 29/WL 13
5 26- 4-2009 WL 413/WL 252 WL 17/WL 17
6 28- 4-2009 WL 467/WL 233 WL 24/WL 16
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##You will be interested to know that Bookings are NOT allowed by this train for journeys beyond Kota and short of Agra Fort.

##Please have a back-up plan!!!
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Originally Posted by vsp27759 View Post ===========
First of all, not only you, but all others who purchase Train Tickets for their Journeys within in India, must note that the Official Web Site of Indian Railways DOES NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN WL & RLWL/RQWL/PQWL, and they tend to feel that they are Waitlisted like in WL, but there is lot of difference between these Waiting Lists:
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1) WL.........General Waiting List...........This is started only after RAC List reaches its Maximum Limit. In other words, if there are cancellations, the WL will come down to RAC and if there are further cancellations, it will come down to Confirmed Status. WL is maintained at the ORIGINATING STATION ONLY.
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2) RLWL....Remote Location Waiting List.........The difference between WL and RLWL is that RLWL is from Intermediate Stations to Intermediate Stations/Terminating Station. RAC is maintained even for Remote Location Quota.
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3) RQWL.........Request Waiting List...........When there is a specific Quota upto a particular Intermediate Station, then once that Quota is over, RQWL is maintained which gets confirmed only when there are cancellations in the earlier confirmed bookings. No RAC before RQWL.
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4) PQWL..........Pooled Quota Waiting List..........In certain long distance trains passengers from Originating Station to Intermediate Station, between Two Intermediate Stations and Intermediate Station to Terminating Station are placed booked under this Quota. Once the Quota gets exhausted, the PQWL commences and there will not be any RAC before PQWL. Normally those under PQWL will also get confirmation against Bookings under General Quota, if they can fit in that bookings.
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OK VSP (& Steven) that's good info however can you guys make it more clear :

Let's say 5 passengers (A,B,C,D,E) booked their tickets(same class) in a particular train & their respective positions are :

A : GNWL 1

B : RLWL 1

C : RQWL 1

D : PQWL 1

E : CKWL 1 (tatkal)

Now exactly how this wait list will move up against cancellation & who will get confirmed berth

Cases :

1) Confirmed passengers from general quota canceling their tickets (ticket - from source to destination of train)

2) Confirmed passengers from general quota canceling their tickets (ticket from intermediate station to destination of train)

3) Confirmed passengers from remote quota canceling their tickets .

4) Confirmed passengers from pooled quota canceling their tickets .

5) Confirmed passengers from Tatkal quota canceling their tickets.

6) If there are vacant berths in specific quota while preparing reservation chart ( e.g. foreign tourist quota , VIP quota , Military quota etc. to whom these berths will be alloted ?)

7) Also if there's vacancy in a particular general/remote/pooled quota while preparing reservation chart ... then how this will be used to reduce wait list & how these berths will be alloted ?

8) Class upgradation : Exactly which passengers (GN,PQ,RQ,Tatkal) are eligible for free class upgradation ? How this system works ? Once passenger been upgraded to higher class to whom his earlier berth will be alloted ?

9) What exact difference between RLWL & RQWL ? Who's having more chance to get confirmed ? Is there any reserved quota for RLWL as in case for RQWL ?
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Swapnil, great questions, now I'll make an ass of myself and try to answer them, hopefully VSP will be along later to clear up the mess.

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Originally Posted by Swapnil View Post Let's say 5 passengers (A,B,C,D,E) booked their tickets(same class) in a particular train & their respective positions are :

A : GNWL 1

B : RLWL 1

C : RQWL 1

D : PQWL 1

E : CKWL 1 (tatkal)

Now exactly how this wait list will move up against cancellation & who will get confirmed berth
It doesn't work that way at all, you just wouldn't get all those waitlists on the same train between the same pair of stations.

(steve goes to heat up a sticky toffee pudding whilst he thinks of the best way to explain this.)

I'll probably explain a lot of what you already know, but my aim is for many people to understand how it all works.


GNWL = General quota waitlist

The General quota is for passengers travelling the full length (or most of the way) of the train's journey, and the General quota is usually the largest quota.


RLWL = Remote Location quota waitlist

On long distance trains, some stations along the route will be designated Remote Location stations, these will be big stations, and mostly where the train will call at the chosen station (and at the destination station) at popular times, it may also be a station that many people will book to (from the originating station), and this can mean that many seats/berths will become available at the remote location station.

Remote Location stations prepare their own reservation chart 2-4 hours before the train is due to arrive/depart from that station, or the evening before in the case of late/very early departures.


RQWL = Request Quota waitlist

Let me give an example (and this is off the top of my head, so unlikely to be a real example).

Let’s say that Dound Jn is allowed 2 Sleeper Class berths on the Mumbai-Bangalore Udyan Express, and these berths are booked, the next person who wants to travel to Bangalore on the same train has to join a Request Quota waitlist, this waitlist will only improve if a person books a Mumbai-Dound ticket from one of the larger quotas, this would leave the seat vacant from Daund, so would allow another person to board at Dound.

So in theory, the person is requesting a berth in case anyone happens to be getting off at Dound.

(the ‘ping’ from the microwave oven tells me my sticky toffee pudding is ready, damn, it’s too hot, I’ll leave it for 10 minutes to cool down)


PQWL = Pooled Quota waitlist

Pooled Quota is basically anything not covered by the other quotas, though the General ad Remote Location quotas take up most berths. (and lately the Tatkal quota).

Pooled quota can include (though not always) Originating station to intermediate station, Intermediate to intermediate, and intermediate to destination station (though it would be separate from remote location quotas).


CKWL = Tatkal quota waitlist

Tatkal quota is just for last chance bookings and in most cases, can only be booked from originating station to destination station, though you can change the boarding station.

(a strange noise draws me to the kitchen, the noise gets louder as I get nearer, "eat me", "eat me", "eat me", it seems to be coming from my sticky toffee pudding )


How fast will the waitlist move?

It’s not easy to predict, and can be different for every train, even trains on the same route.

The first thing a person needs to find out is how many berths are used for that class on that train between the 2 selected stations, to do this, a person needs to check availability for 90 days ahead.


GNWL = General quota waitlist

I’d be unlikely to accept a waitlisted ticket that’s more than 25-30% of the total general quota, even 90 days ahead, and as the time goes down, the acceptable waitlist number comes down, though 10% of the total general quota can still be good even a week before the train.


RLWL = Remote Location quota waitlist

Same as general quota, but total berths available is likely to be a lot less.


RQWL = Request Quota waitlist

It really depends on the train, and the total number of berths used, but in most cases, I probably wouldn’t want a waitlisted ticket.


PQWL = Pooled Quota waitlist

Total berths used for EXACT same train, class and pair of stations is essential info for the pooled quota waitlist, it can be as low as 2 berths, so even a PQWL 1 ticket would be very unlikely to become confirmed, a very tricky waitlist to predict, so a waitlist that’s best avoided in most cases.


CKWL = Tatkal quota waitlist

Always tricky, mainly because the tickets are booked only 5 days before the train will depart, and because the cancellation fees for confirmed tickets are higher than other quotas, so there’s less chance of cancellations, also, there’s no other quotas (foreign tourist quota , VIP quota , Military quota etc.) can come to the rescue of waitlisted passengers (if quotas remain unsold).


Please note.

The Indian Railway websites, those used for checking availability, and the booking website, DON’T indicate what waitlist you’ll be joining if you buy a waitlisted ticket, you only find out after you buy the ticket, this is really frustrating and Indian Railways needs to change this.

(500g of sticky toffee pudding has vanished, a warm, satisfied feeling gives the main clue as to where it’s gone)


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1) Confirmed passengers from general quota canceling their tickets (ticket - from source to destination of train)
This will reduce the general quota waitlist.

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2) Confirmed passengers from general quota canceling their tickets (ticket from intermediate station to destination of train)
If the intermediate station is close to the originating station, there’s a chance that the ticket will be from the general quota, so a cancellation would reduce the general quota waitlist.

The intermediate station may be a designated remote location station, if so, a cancellation would reduce the RLWL.

Or the ticket could be a pooled quota ticket, so a cancellation would reduce the PQWL.

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3) Confirmed passengers from remote quota canceling their tickets .
This would reduce the RLWL.

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4) Confirmed passengers from pooled quota canceling their tickets .
This would reduce the PQWL.

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5) Confirmed passengers from Tatkal quota canceling their tickets.
This would reduce the Tatkal quota waitlist.

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6) If there are empty berths in specific quota while preparing reservation chart ( e.g. foreign tourist quota , VIP quota , Military quota etc. to whom these berths will be alloted ?)
These would be used to reduce the General quota waitlist.

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7) Also if there's vacancy in a particular general/remote/pooled quota while preparing reservation chart ... then how this will be used to reduce wait list & how these berths will be alloted ?
All waitlists will need cancellations from their own quotas to improve, however, if there’s availability in the general quota, it can sometimes be used to reduce the pooled quota waitlist.

VSP, what happens to unused Tatkal berths, are they used to reduce the general waitlist?

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8) Class upgradation : Exactly which passengers (GN,PQ,RQ,Tatkal) are eligible for free class upgradation ? How this system works ? Once passenger been upgraded to higher class to whom his earlier berth will be alloted ?
This only happens if there is availability in the higher class, and a waitlist (general) in the lower class, the berth left vacant after a passenger has been upgraded would be used to reduce the general waitlist.

I don’t know if these free upgrades also happen at remote location stations or Tatkal quota bookings, I can think of no reason why they shouldn’t, VSP, do you know?

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9) What exact difference between RLWL & RQWL ? Who's having more chance to get confirmed ? Is there any reserved quota for RLWL as in case for RQWL ?
Answered earlier in the post.



Remote Location station? how do I know?.

The following isn’t guaranteed, but it often works for me.

Find the availability (90 days ahead) for the originating station to the terminating station, write down the number.

Then check the availability from the next station to the terminating station, if the number is the same as the origination station, then this station uses the general quota.

Keep checking the next station and so on, till you find a station with a totally different availability number, this station may be a remote location station.

Not that it matters too much, it’s still always about the total number of berths used for the section of journey that you’ll be using.

If you want to play around with some waitlist numbers or availability numbers, try searching for availability on different trains between Solapur and Mumbai (or in the opposite direction), there’s a range of short, middle and long distance trains covering this section and an number of different quotas will be used.


(A bloated stomach tells me I need some exercise, so I will go for a long walk, I’ve got Wednesdays ’The Apprentice’ (TV programme) recorded, so a walk to the TV should be enough exercise for 1 day.)

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Speaking of ’The Apprentice’, I’m looking forward to VSP’s corrections, I’ll be forever learning about waitlists, and VSP is my favourite teacher.
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Great Post Steven !

Hugely informative & written in very lucid manner .
Probably everyone should read this before booking waitlist ticket.

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Originally Posted by steven_ber View Post It doesn't work that way at all, you just wouldn't get all those waitlists on the same train between the same pair of stations.
I know ... I was only considering different passengers having WL 1 position in different wait lists.( not necessarily traveling between same pair of stations). At source station I think only CKWL,GNWL (& in some cases PQWL) can co-exist .


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RLWL = Remote Location quota waitlist

On long distance trains, some stations along the route will be designated Remote Location stations, these will be big stations, and mostly where the train will call at the chosen station (and at the destination station) at popular times, it may also be a station that many people will book to (from the originating station), and this can mean that many seats/berths will become available at the remote location station.

Remote Location stations prepare their own reservation chart 2-4 hours before the train is due to arrive/depart from that station, or the evening before in the case of late/very early departures.
So does this mean only separate reservation charts prepared for these stations & there's no actual reserved quota for these stations ? i.e. vacancy will depend on passengers alighting at these stations only.
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RQWL = Request Quota waitlist

So in theory, the person is requesting a berth in case anyone happens to be getting off at Dound.
from earlier RLWL post:
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it may also be a station that many people will book to (from the originating station), and this can mean that many seats/berths will become available at the remote location station.
So what's the difference ?

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RQWL = Request Quota waitlist

It really depends on the train, and the total number of berths used, but in most cases, I probably wouldn’t want a waitlisted ticket.
So I guess RLWL ticket is comparatively better than RQWL .


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All waitlists will need cancellations from their own quotas to improve, however, if there’s availability in the general quota, it can sometimes be used to reduce the pooled quota waitlist.

VSP, what happens to unused Tatkal berths, are they used to reduce the general waitlist?
If there's availability in General/Tatkal quota then will it be used to reduce waitlist in RQWL/RLWL ?

Also if there's availability in RL quota then can it be used to reduce waitlist in RQ quota (or vice versa) at subsequent stations ?

e.g. Consider Pune as RL for Mumbai - Bangalore Udyan express.If there's still availability (for Pune - Bangalore route) after preparing separate reservation chart then can this be used to accommodate RQWL from Dound ?

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This only happens if there is availability in the higher class, and a waitlist (general) in the lower class, the berth left vacant after a passenger has been upgraded would be used to reduce the general waitlist.
So does this mean only confirmed GN passengers from lower class are considered for this ?Are they selected randomly by computer ? What if there's no waitlist in lower class too ?

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Remote Location station? how do I know?.

The following isn’t guaranteed, but it often works for me.

Find the availability (90 days ahead) for the originating station to the terminating station, write down the number.

Then check the availability from the next station to the terminating station, if the number is the same as the origination station, then this station uses the general quota.

Keep checking the next station and so on, till you find a station with a totally different availability number, this station may be a remote location station.
If this different availability number is ridiculously too small then can it be considered as Pooled Quota ?

Apart from this how will you differentiate between RL/RQ while checking ?

(# btw I throughly enjoyed your "sticky toffee pudding" story too ... )
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Swapnil, can you copy the whole of your last post and add it as a reply in the 'WL & RAC explanation' thread?

These are useful posts that may sadly get lost once replies end on this thread, but the WL & RAC thread is a sticky and there's links to it in a few places.

I'll try to do a reply soon, but the water's getting a bit deep and I'm hoping VSP will be along soon to throw me a life jacket.
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ok ...no problem ... I'll do that !
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Dear Swapnil,

So does this mean only confirmed GN passengers from lower class are considered for this ?Are they selected randomly by computer ? What if there's no waitlist in lower class too ?

##Not necessarily, because those in RAC & WL will also be considered,if they move into Confirmed Status before/during Charting!!!

If there's availability in General/Tatkal quota then will it be used to reduce waitlist in RQWL/RLWL ?

##Not those in RQWL, but those in RLWL will be considered because we have seen RLWL Confirmations before the finalisation of the Chart at such Remote Location.

Consider Pune as RL for Mumbai - Bangalore Udyan express.If there's still availability (for Pune - Bangalore route) after preparing separate reservation chart then can this be used to accommodate RQWL from Dound ?

##If PUNE is RL for Udyan, then Daund would also get covered within this Quota. As such, to the best of my knowledge,it cannot be RQWL.
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Dear Swapnil,

Apart from this how will you differentiate between RL/RQ while checking ?

As I have stated earlier, Remote Location Quota NEVER starts from Originating Station, whereas RQ starts!!!
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Please Help

I booked ticket from Satna (STA)to Bangalore(SBC) on 25th Dec 2009.
through Sangh Mitra 2296 PNR NO. 6235383397.
Its in WL 13 3AC presently.
Please advice me what to do.
or suggest some alternative.
its Important travel.

Many Thanks In Advance
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Mr.Tilak,

In the first instance, there is no need to post the same query in three different threads.

Please look at this:
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2296 SANGHA MITRA EX 25-12-2009 PATNA JN BANGALORE CY JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 25-12-2009 WL 68/WL 24 WL 233/WL 109
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2296 SANGHA MITRA EX 25-12-2009 MUGHAL SARAI JN BANGALORE CY JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 25-12-2009 WL 32/WL 11 WL 98/WL 63
.............................. ..................
2296 SANGHA MITRA EX 25-12-2009 ALLAHABAD JN BANGALORE CY JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 25-12-2009 WL 30/WL 21 REGRET/WL 50
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2296 SANGHA MITRA EX 25-12-2009 SATNA BANGALORE CY JN GENERAL
S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 25-12-2009 WL 30/WL 21 REGRET/WL 50
.............................. ..................
2296 SANGHA MITRA EX 20-03-2010 SATNA BANGALORE CY JN GENERAL


S.No. Date (DD-MM-YYYY) Class - 3A Class -SL
1 20- 3-2010 AVAILABLE 6 AVAILABLE 12
2 21- 3-2010 AVAILABLE 6 AVAILABLE 12
3 22- 3-2010 AVAILABLE 6 AVAILABLE 12
============================== =============

##I leave it to your guess whether your ticket gets confirmed or not within a limited quota of 6 berths!!!
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People, kindly note there is now an excellent article on the ins & outs of everything regarding waitlists: http://www.indiamike.com/india/india...lained-t63844/

For queries on people's specific chances on the waitlist, there is this one-stop thread: http://www.indiamike.com/india/india...e-only-t91500/.
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Hi All,

This thread has provided so much of information on the intricacies of Wait List. Thanks a lot everyone.

I have a general query. I have heard that during peak season like 24th/25th Dec in cases of really busy trains with a long waiting list there is a possibility of attaching additional coach(es)? How far this is true and to what extent this will bring down the waiting list?
Looking forward for the reply from experts in this forum.

Regards,
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Originally Posted by jyothiv View Post I have heard that during peak season like 24th/25th Dec in cases of really busy trains with a long waiting list there is a possibility of attaching additional coach(es)? How far this is true and to what extent this will bring down the waiting list? Looking forward for the reply from experts in this forum.
##This is true in respect of 'some' trains but NOT all Trains.
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Urgent Help!!
i booked ticket for my bro and bhabhi for journey of 24th dec - 2009, pashchim exp boarding ludhiana - to - surat. in 3A/c( boarding time - 10.45AM). Booking status W/L 18 - W/L 19. Today till after noon it came down to W/L -1 and W/L- 2. Now after 8 whn i checked , it shows chart is prepared and current status is
Passenger 1 - RB1 63
Passenger 2 - W/L 1.
So now can both of them board the train tomo mornin with dis E-ticket.?? or one waitin ticket will be canceled?? please reply as soon as possible.

thanking you,

vishal.
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