Radjhani Train 12432

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Intend to book 1AC on this train for departure H.Niz to Madgaon next February.
I am registered with Cleartrip and that IRCTC site. Have booked a few times on previous visits.

On the 12432 I looked at the rake and it says H1. When i travelled from Mumbai to Madgaon last year on Konkan Exp the 1AC was HA1.

I have been trying to find out what the actual difference is. I know HA1 has 1 Coupe and the rest 4 berth as we used that and got the Coupe as well after visiting the guy doing the charts at CST Mumbai.

To get to the point. Someone told me that H1 means all compartments are Coupe in that coach. Any thoughts guys?

My wife and I are both senior citizens too.
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Coach HA means half first class, half second class. 2 cabin with 4 berths, 1 coupe with 2 berths in first class.

Coach H means full first class with 4 cabin and 3 or 4 coupe.
Rajdhani 12432 has LHB rake so there are 4 cabin and 4 coupe for H1.
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Excellent! and thank you very much indeed for that.

aarosh

Thanks so much too for that diagram. certainly explains it all now. A shower cubicle too.

4x Coupe hopefully will improve our chances of me and the wife, two senior citizens, being allocated one.
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Wondering if there's any members who have travelled on this train that could possibly comment on it. I like the idea of all the meals being included too. A whole day plus on train appeals to us as well. Many folk think we are round the bend going by train when we could fly in 2 hours or so Delhi-Goa. Make me laugh really. I know they mean well but to us the journey is all part of the holiday and adventure.
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Food is included in the ticket price of Rajdhani and Shatabdi trains.
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Originally Posted by aarosh View Post HA1 ICFlayout

H1 LHB layout, ICF layout
Excellent diagrams, the best on the web, so often the berth numbering is taken from an old Indian Railways set, and because they were wrong, most diagrams are wrong.

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Originally Posted by doofus View Post Wondering if there's any members who have travelled on this train that could possibly comment on it. I like the idea of all the meals being included too. A whole day plus on train appeals to us as well. Many folk think we are round the bend going by train when we could fly in 2 hours or so Delhi-Goa. Make me laugh really. I know they mean well but to us the journey is all part of the holiday and adventure.
I've travelled on this train a few times, but not since the rake was changed to an LHB rake, I have looked inside a LHB rajdhani, common sense tells us the cabin/coupes should be slightly smaller (more per carriage), but the LHB carriages are slightly longer, and the new design makes the cabin/coupes feel just as big. (and a lot smarter)

I agree completely that the train is a great way to get from Delhi to Goa, especially when this train is timed so well, you'll feel mellow and chilled out when you arrive in Goa, your Goan taxi driver will have a tough job changing your mood, though he'll try his very best, I sometimes think it's worth biting your tongue and paying the extra just to keep yourself in a good mood, but their arrogance can make this difficult.

This train is very punctual, and my only issue with Rajdhani trains is unlikely to bother you, but I'll mention it, I love opening the outside carriage door and watching the world go by, but this can be difficult on Rajdhanis for 2 reasons, 1st., they do go fast (by Indian standards), so it's not as much fun sitting by the open carriage door, 2nd., there's so much stuff blocks carriage doors in many carriages, tea/coffee stuff, food, snacks and bedding, there always seems to be something there, and for me, I think it could be a safety issue if there was a need to evacuate, however, maybe the LHB design allowed more space for these things, I doubt it though.

Many would say this isn't the most scenic journey, but personally, I feel any journey in India is interesting, and there's always things to look out for, enjoy the first day, then sleep, and once you wake up you're at the most scenic part of the journey, a couple of hours after leaving Panvel (dep 04:30) you'll be on the Konkan Railway, it's quite scenic (very scenic in places), but I found it fascinating wondering how the hell they built this rail line (they're now planning to build a 2nd line), the train will travel many parts of the Konkan at quite a slow speed, so it's the best time to open the outside carriage door and watch the world go by, you'll depart Ratnagiri at 09:15 and Sawantwadi Road at 11:12 (get off here if going to the far north of Goa) and should get to Madgaon at 12:32, these times are likely different to those you'll be finding, there's a monsoon timetable operating at the moment, this ends in November, see the usual timetable in the 2nd page of the pdf link below.

http://www.indianrailways.gov.in/rai...2016-17/26.pdf

The train food isn't anything special, but you can now order many different types of food to be brought to the train at either Kota, Vadodara or Ratnagiri, check what can be ordered in the link below.

https://rail.menu/?trainnumber=12432...te=06-Sep-2017

Personally, I think train travel is a huge chai tour, an opportunity to sample chai all over India, try to get on to the platform when the train stops, but not many chai wallahs come to the Rajdhani as not many people are buying.

Wherever your ticket is booked to, you'll get the train staff approaching you for tips from about 30 minutes before your station, not one member of staff, first 1, then another, then maybe another if you're generous/gullible, and they'll expect a lot because you're in First Class AC, ask Indian passengers what you should pay, it's a lot less than you think, then come to a decision based on the service you receive, the staff should be making up your beds, taking the bedding away in the morning, serving your food & drinks, and answering any questions you have, don't feel pressured, the staff are working on a good train, and their tips will take them to a lever most similar staff on other trains can only dream of.

If you get a coupe, open the coupe door about 30 minutes before you get to your destination, it will slowly bring the temperature in the coupe closer to the temperature outside, it can be quite a shock going direct from an AC coupe into the heat outside the train.

You can book tickets for February now, but don't be tempted, there's a facility for foreign tourists to book tickets up to a year in advance (and I'm not talking about an Indrail Pass), but you have to make changes to your IRCTC account, you also need your visa number (the earliest you can apply for an evisa is 4 months ahead), you will also pay 1.5 times the normal fare, and the berth used for this quota in 1A are in a 4-berth cabin, if you wait till bookings open, then book using the general quota, then you'll get fares at normal prices, I hope you're also aware that foreigners no longer get senior citizen discount.


Have a fun journey.
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Newworld/Thanks very much for all that very useful information. Yes i heard that foreign seniors dont get discount. But the other day just to test the system on a short journey I did book 2 seats at senior rates and the amount deducted from my debit card was the senior rate. Maybe the amount of deduction was only about 50rupees but the principle still there. However i wont expect the senior rates when i book the Radjhani. We will travel on 11th February and i think 14th October is earliest i can book. I notice on drop down menu one can choose 'Coupe'. That did surprise me to see that. But of course it's no guarantee but with 4 coupes in the rake the chances are increased i guess. Booking early obviously helps with getting confirmation but i doubt they operate on a first come first served basis for Coupe. Mind you i wonder if the 4 berths are generally all filled up.

Once we got the 4 berth 1AC to ourselves from MUmbai to Madgaon on the Mandovi Express. When we did the same journey overnight on Konkan Express i did manage to find the guy who does the charting at CST in Mumbai and we got the coupe. We may have got it anyway but who knows?

Ordering the food online is interesting. I only had a quick look at that link. When do you actually make the order? It gives a price- is that also payable even though food is included in the ticket? I am seeing it as an alternative to having the food prepared on train-is that correct?
Someone tried to convince me that the price of Radjhani is similar to a business class seat on flight from Delhi to Goa. I tried to explain the journey is all part of the adventure!

Tipping wasnt really a problem on the Mandovi or Konkan trains but then again meals were not included so there was less interaction but we did buy food on the train. Think I gave the 2 lads 100 rupees each.
Yes arrival at Madgaon can be a problem but we managed to hitch along with some fellow Indian pax and put our luggage with theirs on the porters cart. Think that was about 100 rupee tip each i think. There was a controlled taxi system last year which worked very well in my opinion. Queue up with others. Pay at kiosk and then away you go. Think it was 250rupees to Colva. About the going rate or just a little over.
Back to the Radjhani. Of course it leaves from H.Niz. Any advice on arriving at station. platform etc. I guess 30 mins before departure should be ok. Is the H1 rake buffer stop end or other end?

I do love train travel. My first journey was as a backpacker in 1977 went from Calcutta to Bombay then took paddle steamer down to Goa. No other way really other than road of course.

Anyway i really appreciate all help and advice etc. I know have to take other half into consideration now when travelling.
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Hi,
Did you "test book" for senior discount on the Cleartrip site, or the IRCTC site?

I took this same train northbound from Trivandrum to Delhi last year, in 1st class. I was lucky to get a coupe to myself, it was only arranged at the last moment, by the ticket inspector. It may be that one can choose the 1st class berths now, I think a lot of things are changing on the rails in India

Funny you should mention the location of the coach. Mine was at the front of the train going north, and the ride was spoilt to some extent because of fumes from the generator car, between us and the engine, entering the coach. You should be fine, as the rake will be running with the 1st class on the rear, southbound.

I paid a tip of Rs 100 each to two guys who served the food, they seemed happy enough.
A report of the journey can be found on the journals page:

http://www.indiamike.com/india/journ...journal&j=9707

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Ok, so I had a little play around. On Cleartrip there are no "refined" options, it seems you can book as a Senior, even though a foreign person. I did not try to actually book, so there may be a trip up clause later in the process. I imagine that one might be asked to pay the correct fare by a ticket inspector. ie the regular adult tariff
The IRCTC website won't let me book anything, unless I first "update my international phone prefix " at a cost of Rs. 100 + tax.

The good news seems to be that the IRCTC website does not mention visa's when booking on the foreign tourist quota portion.

Just to answer another point, the Rajdhani pantry food is already included in the ticket price, so you will have paid for it whether you eat it or not. The other food you can order to be delivered is a seperate service. The problem I can see for foreign visitors is the mobile phone number, and the difficulty in making yourself understood to a delivery person used to Indian accents... Might be fun to try it out, provided you are not famished!

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Originally Posted by OldandRambling View Post The IRCTC website won't let me book anything, unless I first "update my international phone prefix " at a cost of Rs. 100 + tax.

I'm often accused of being a pessimist when it comes to dealing with any Indian officials, so I'm hoping someone can find some positives in the following.

Just tried to "update my international phone prefix", got the message, (can't do it because) 'number already exists', but I already knew this, I had tried the same on the day the changes came into effect and got same message, but the optimist in me thought they would have realised the problem by now, but I can only assume I'm the first person to have experienced this, so they're not aware of the problem yet, one has to wonder how nobody foresaw the problem, but hey, be optimistic, so I changed my number to my wife's mobile, and it worked.

So I logged in again to make the Rs100 + tax payment for changing my Int. phone prefix, completed all the details, then bang, "please enter a valid zip code", it didn't matter what way I tried to enter my postcode, it doesn't recognise British postcodes.

Just about to try something really stupid, hold on a minute.....

OK, Donald Trump's New York zip code doesn't work either.

If I'd told you all that the zip codes of the 2 countries that send the most tourists to India wouldn't work, you'd all have rightfully said I was being pessimistic, but none work.

Never mind, at least it's good practice for the visa application I've got to start soon.

EDITED to add.....

Just used my home details (UK), but changed the 'State' to New York, then used Donald Trump's zip code, and it worked.

Now waiting for OTP to be sent to mobile so I can complete the process.
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No, Newworld, you are right to be doubtful of any interactions with Indian websites, imho! Having managed to get registered for the irctc site via the email one time password, I view the set up as "delicate" and feel reluctant to change anything!

It is good that there are brave souls like yourself who can act as pathfinders!

When I visited India in 1983, to buy something in a shop, you had to deal with about 4 different people, sales, cash, pack, security, double check, etc... I think this division of responsibility into tiny chunks may be partly the reason why the Tourism dept and the Railway foreign tourist dept don't seem to know each other exist, and that they could iron out problems in a moment together...

Good Luck old chap, stiff upper lip!

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I've never been on a food-included train... Do locals tip the servers? I wouldn't be surprised if they don't.

It has never occurred to me to tip anyone on a train. Porter charges are an exorbitant racket anyway.
Oh... TTEs... Much maligned but they have a tough job and work hard, and if they help out, especially if it includes bending the rules in our favour... They are my exception. Whether they expect it or not.
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Yes I agree with Ed. I am very reluctant to change anything as it was a long arduous task getting it all set up few years ago in the first place!
Re the 'fake booking' i made. During the process i had to be redirected to IRCTC via a link that required my unsername and password. That worried me a tad as I havent knowingly been asked that before. However it did give me my 'username' though. I did recognise it but had no idea when i did that, Wasnt required when i made a booking last year. Anyway i couldnt remember what my password was but there was a 'forgotten' password ling. So i have now set up a new password. I then managed to continue with booking.

One slight problem though. I tried first with a credit card but that somehow didnt work. No idea why though. Anyway i continued with debit card and Bob's your uncle.

I am now going to cancel the fake booking and see what happens. I did check the amount of refund and it was 40 rupees! Total fare was 305 rupees incl cleartrip fee .

Just one other question please. Any tips about H.Niz station? Platform etc etc. hassles .
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I agree re TE's. I have always found them extremely polite people. If i remember i try to give them a little pressie. I have some old ties from my railway working days. They always appreciate it.

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