2AC Upper/Lower berth seating rules/etiquette

#1 Jan 18th, 2015, 13:43
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I will be booking 13152 from Jammu-Gaya. This is a long 35+ hour trip and I would appreciate advice on the rules or etiquette for 2AC. A lower berth is more convenient and you have the window, however if I want the ability to stretch out and sleep during the day then am I best to book Upper? If I recall correctly the lower berth becomes three reserved seats during the day. If I have reserved the Upper Berth (albeit less convenient and with no window), presumably I will be free to use it when I wish?
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When berths are reserved for passengers, the intention is to provide sleeping accommodation between 9 PM to 6 AM. During 6 AM to 9 PM, the passengers concerned, if required make room for other passengers in compartment up to its carrying capacity.
from the reservation rules of Indian Railways.

If you want to stretch during the day booking upper is the right idea.
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This is why I prefer the upper. I like being able to sprawl out and have my own space to relax a bit without other human interaction (for at least a little bit). You can move down to the lower berth to peer out the window.
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But generally, wouldn't the upper-berth holder let you use it for a while if they aren't using it? That has been my experience, anyway-whoever wants to stretch out for a while asks if they can climb up.

From my experience with Indian trains: before the train leaves the start station everyone looks at each other suspiciously and tries to stake a claim to as much of luggage space they need, etc - but after the first meal time, you are all like old friends...
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There will be cases where the upper berth will be used to store luggage. In that case sleeping would be a problem. Indians sometimes travel with loads of luggage.
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We all understand that we're talking about lower & upper berths (LB & UB), but for the benefit of others who may not fully understand, we're not talking about side upper & side lower berths (SU & SL), otherwise the replies could be very different, LB & UB are often called 'inside' berths.

In 2-tier air con (2A) there will only be a maximum of 2 persons sitting on a lower berth, not 3, but as this is Indian Railways, there are exceptions to the rule, if the lower berths were being used for RAC passengers (often berths 1 and 3), and the RAC passengers hadn't been allocated confirmed berths, then there would be a maximum of 3 persons eligible to sit on that lower berth, however, berths 2 and 4 (upper berths above 1 and 3) will be the last to be sold, so booking early should avoid these berths.

A few advantages of inside berths over side berths are, much more room for luggage under lower berth (so less chance of upper berth being used for luggage during daytime), also, because there are 2 lower berths, even if 1 is still sleeping, the other person is likely to invite you to sit on their lower berth (be sure to return the gesture by offering the upper berth for a few hours during the day), also, the side upper berth may feel more private (as the curtain closes the single berth off, rather than all 4 berths as happens in the inside berths), but to me, it feels a bit closed off, almost like your own prison cell.

Looking at the availability numbers, I think you may need to accept whatever you can get.

The train choice is interesting, I love the timings, and have used similarly timed trains 3 times, it's a great money saver, but I have to wonder if there's a better way, I guess it depends on what you want to see in India, because that train is so slow, you could break the journey in Lucknow for a few hours and still only use the same amount of time to get to Gaya, or if you were to depart a few hours earlier, and arrive at Gaya a few hours later, you could spend half a day in places like Amritsar, Varanasi, Allahabad, Lucknow etc..

I noticed on Indian Rail Info's website that this train arrives in Gaya an average of 3 hours & 15 minutes late, can any IRI users tell me if this is accurate, or if the delay info is skewered because we're at the end of the heavy fog season? (are the average delay numbers based on the previous 30 days?)
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Steven. I was told that the Indiarailinfo punctuality stats are based on a thirty day moving average. The source was within iri.
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Originally Posted by Dave W View Post Steven. I was told that the Indiarailinfo punctuality stats are based on a thirty day moving average. The source was within iri.
I suppose that makes sense, it does mean the numbers will be all over the place for large parts of the north through late December to mid Feb.

Here's a thought.....

Do IRI store/monitor punctuality data?

I had a quick look at the Jailanwala Bagh (sp) Exp. and saw big delay averages, but I remember looking at the same train last year and it was reasonably punctual.

I guess the data is pulled directly from IR's database, but if IRI somehow stored the data, then it would be a great advantage to look at October's data (for example), or a whole year's average.

Is there a thread on IRI discussing this topic? it would be interesting to read.
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Originally Posted by Rasika View Post But generally, wouldn't the upper-berth holder let you use it for a while if they aren't using it? That has been my experience, anyway-whoever wants to stretch out for a while asks if they can climb up.

From my experience with Indian trains: before the train leaves the start station everyone looks at each other suspiciously and tries to stake a claim to as much of luggage space they need, etc - but after the first meal time, you are all like old friends...
+1 for all of it! You've got the soft aspect just right
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Thanks all for the very helpful responses. Steven is spot-on with the availability predictions, very tight bookings. I reserved 2AC on opening and got RAC/1 - not traveling until end March so hopefully I will get a full confirmed berth. As I understand it, just one cancellation ahead of my booking (or unused allocation) would achieve this. Noted the comments on timings etc, doubtless it is a slow train. I visit Amritsar earlier in the trip and Varanasi after Gaya - before flying Mumbai/London

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