Ignorant tourism or exploitative tourism?

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#1 Nov 21st, 2018, 13:20
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An American tourist lost his life when he landed on an island where outsiders are not welcome. The tribe inhabiting that island is known to be hostile to anyone approaching them - even the armed forces avoid that island. (more out of respect than fear I suppose)

However, in the present incident a 27 year old american tourist went to the island and was killed as soon as he landed there. He obviously did not go there by himself but was taken there by local fishermen. Did he insist on being taken there, knowing about the place or was he ignorant about that island and the tribe.
Did the local fisherman lure him by telling him about an exotic place? Did he insist on setting foot after he saw the place? Unfortunately, even if the answers to these questions become available later (the seven fishermen have been arrested), a life was lost! An avoidable loss of life I would say.

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ETA - Person was a missionary, went there to preach Christianity by own accord. Cannot put the blame on the locals here.
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Darwin, nomination for sure..
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You made me look that up.
Well if he did step there voluntarily knowing where he was going, nomination could be seriously considered.
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He was a missionary that explains the motivation. I found an article to that affect on persecution.org.

https://www.persecution.org/2018/11/...e-tribe-india/
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Ignorant tourism or exploitative locals?

I guess I will have to edit the title. Cannot put this on the locals.
And I do think that was indeed a stupid thing to do. Though I will not go as far to justify the killing, l do not have too much sympathy now, knowing the whole thing.

Link to what skidsghost was pointing out.
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Reminds me about the old joke about a preacher giving a reclusive tribe of African cannibals their first taste of Christianity.
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Ignorant tourism or exploitative tourism?

No sympathy for this idiot at all.
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Really, what was this guy thinking? Winning more souls for Jesus? I have very little sympathy for these Western God-botherers sticking their noses in where not needed. I'd hoped we were passed this sort of missionary type behaviour but apparently not in this case!
He won't be doing it again, though.
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If his brains were made of dynamite — they wouldn’t have lifted his hat.


Still win win in his mind. He died a martyr
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Originally Posted by Keith H View Post Really, what was this guy thinking? Winning more souls for Jesus? I have very little sympathy for these Western God-botherers sticking their noses in where not needed. I'd hoped we were passed this sort of missionary type behaviour but apparently not in this case!
He won't be doing it again, though.
India is one of those countries where there is still plenty of scope for "Winning more souls for Jesus," and there are plenty of missionaries licking their lips. One down...

In UK this summer, I was hearing tales of a relative who got religious mania. Took to doing stuff like smuggling bibles into countries where they were not welcome. Seems that his biggest adventure was deciding that a touch of Jesus would mend the ways of an evil war lord somewhere in the world: he was sure he could make the guy listen and repent. Guess what! He actually got to talk to the guy! Well, I suppose even an evil war lord has to have a giggle.

(No, I don't know who, or which countries, although the person telling me probably does. Yes, my missionary relative is still alive.)
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How are the bible-thumpers in the Trump administration going to react to this? Do we get to see another Task Force 74 steaming into the Bay of Bengal?
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OK, so I know what we think about the BBC, but... It seems he might not have been a missionary, at least not in the formal sense. It looks as if he was something of an active christian. Hey, my aforementioned relative was/is not, so far as I know, a missionary in the formal sense, but that did not him trying hard to spread that word they go on about.

Being fair... unfair to write this guy off as a missionary.

On the other hand. It is fair to say that if I know that the result of visiting certain islands in the Andamans is very likely to be death on the beach then I'd expect someone planning to visit and explore the islands to have that information. So ignorance maybe, arrogance probably... count me not a fan.

With all due respect to his family and friends. I expect they'll miss him. But they could have given him better advice.

John Allen Chau: Who was US man killed in remote islands? (BBC)
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Slightly more nuanced report by NYT

However, no organization has come forward, except ICC ! The reason is probably, violating visa rules. I know of two other countries, where Americans require a visa, where incidents have occured requiring consular intervention; US based organizations tend to either look the other way, or encourage entrepreneur-evangelists, those who will risk everything...
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Ignorant tourism or exploitative tourism?

So he was a religious nutter. He should have stuck to war lords, like my cousin. At least he lived to tell the tale.

To those who may be offended, all I can say is that my lack of respect is nothing to god-powered arrogance.
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