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#196 Aug 10th, 2018, 01:33
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You guys have too much dinero! I buy the cheapest and just laugh when its put in a bus hold with open cans of oil on top. My spouse calls it my Banniya look. The better stuff (Costco) carries the chocolates for my nieces..
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On the topic of MKs last rites, this did the round on social media -

All politicians should be cremated and not buried.



What if they come back?

We have all seen those movies.
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Originally Posted by edwardseco View Post You guys have too much dinero! I buy the cheapest and just laugh when its put in a bus hold with open cans of oil on top. My spouse calls it my Banniya look. The better stuff (Costco) carries the chocolates for my nieces..
I know church mice that have higher accountants bills than me. Its not about being rich its about spending wisely. That duffel bag has survived over 40,000ks strapped to the back of my motorcycles, it has survived 2 head on collisions with trucks fallen down a 100m ravine ( still attached to the bike ) shot across rivers on flying foxes and submerged in rivers and floods. It holds 30kg of raw salt ( at a pinch ) , 11 shitting fully grown chickens , one freshly slaughtered 25kg goat and in the old Al Capone days 54 half litre cans of beer , doing the fast pondy runs, so that would equate to about 10 laps of the globe in bus mode and numerous replacements of a cheaper inferior model bag.
So the reality is my million dollar bag works out cheaper than yours. I know sometimes this world can be a strange place
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Originally Posted by edwardseco View Post You guys have too much dinero! I buy the cheapest and just laugh when its put in a bus hold with open cans of oil on top. My spouse calls it my Banniya look. The better stuff (Costco) carries the chocolates for my nieces..
I know church mice that have higher accountants bills than me. Its not about being rich its about spending wisely. That duffel bag has survived over 40,000ks strapped to the back of my motorcycles, it has survived 2 head on collisions with trucks fallen down a 100m ravine ( still attached to the bike ) shot across rivers on flying foxes and submerged in rivers and floods. It holds 30kg of raw salt ( at a pinch ) , 11 shitting fully grown chickens , one freshly slaughtered 25kg goat and in the old Al Capone days 54 half litre cans of beer , doing the fast pondy runs, so that would equate to about 10 laps of the globe in bus mode and numerous replacements of a cheaper inferior model bag.
So the reality is my million dollar bag works out cheaper than yours. I know sometimes this world can be a strange place. My one and only bus trip in 20 years of travelling in India was last year Mahabs to Pondy and back I was very reluctant to board , but she was gorgeous and she had that glint in her eye but never again once is enough.
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but she was gorgeous and she had that glint in her eye but never again once is enough.
I know exactly that feeling. However, at this point there is little danger of me being in that position again..
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Imported apples displacing himachal and Kashmir apples?

In the recent tariff battle unfolding in Washington, D.C., I learnt that India was the 3rd largest market for apples grown in New York State, Washington state.. Right after Mexico and Canada .

A TV program showed a New York grower lamenting the new tariffs imposed by India, in response to US tariffs.

My question : where are these imported apples sold in India? How expensive are they, relative to local product, say from himachal or Kashmir? How are they perceived relative to local fruit? Will this affect local growers?

I recall apples were rarely seen in south India, and only in winters in north India. So it is surprising they travel well, half way across the world.
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Originally Posted by Boston123 View Post ...it is surprising they travel well, half way across the world.
Pro'bly could fly them there in not more than twice the time it would take to schlepp them from Albany to Boston, where they would sit for a couple of weeks before being distributed to the supermarkets.
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We are fast losing our scenic drives as well. Once beautiful droves with forests and hills and the odd chai tapri, now you find them congested with traffic, construction, hills cut away for their stone and soil (ironically to create flyovers at every village junction), forests cut down for holiday homes and billions of ugly billboards selling those holiday homes blocking the very view they seem to have as a selling feature.

We need protected status for scenic routes.
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Originally Posted by Boston123 View Post My question : where are these imported apples sold in India? How expensive are they, relative to local product, say from himachal or Kashmir? How are they perceived relative to local fruit? Will this affect local growers?

I recall apples were rarely seen in south India, and only in winters in north India. So it is surprising they travel well, half way across the world.
These apples, Washington and Granny Smith, sell for approx 1.5 times the price of Kashmir apples and twice or more that of Himachal.

Hence they are only available at high end fruit merchants or in supermarkets. Due to cold chain problems, Himachal or Kashmir apples are often not available in summer months. They are also less easily available in the south. This helps the imported fruit sell well. I think another reason could be shelf life - it's quite long for the red delicious apple esp the imported ones , I suspect they are quoted with wax. Maybe they're aspirational for some?

By contrast, in Himachal Pradesh, I saw crates and heaps available by the roadside. Sometimes farmers throw away their produce as they cannot bear the cost of transport.

That said both Washington and Red Delicious are relatively tasteless compared to good Himachal and Kashmir apples. It is in all likelihood because they have been sitting around longer and also are coated with wax. I avoid them as much as I can.
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Hand-pulled Rickshaws in Calcutta



Been a while since I have seen one of these in Kolkata. Seems to be for the better though - never did like the idea of one human carrying another. Some old-timers may remember Om Puri (as Hasari Pal) pulling the same rickshaw in City of Joy.
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Originally Posted by vaibhav_arora View Post These apples, Washington and Granny Smith, sell for approx 1.5 times the price of Kashmir apples and twice or more that of Himachal.

Hence they are only available at high end fruit merchants or in supermarkets. Due to cold chain problems, Himachal or Kashmir apples are often not available in summer months. They are also less easily available in the south. This helps the imported fruit sell well. I think another reason could be shelf life - it's quite long for the red delicious apple esp the imported ones , I suspect they are quoted with wax. Maybe they're aspirational for some?

By contrast, in Himachal Pradesh, I saw crates and heaps available by the roadside. Sometimes farmers throw away their produce as they cannot bear the cost of transport.

That said both Washington and Red Delicious are relatively tasteless compared to good Himachal and Kashmir apples. It is in all likelihood because they have been sitting around longer and also are coated with wax. I avoid them as much as I can.
Really? My experience is just the opposite.

Indian apples' prices are very variable through the year in Delhi. I've seen the same quality for Rs.75 all the way up to Rs.300 per kg. American red delicious apples are more consistent through the year, around Rs.170 to 200 per kg.

As for taste, I've never eaten a fresh American red delicious apple that wasn't sweet and crunchy. On the other hand, fresh Indian apples may be sweet or sour, crunchy or powdery. There's no way to tell just by looking at them. Also, American apples are all the same size. Indian apples can be big or small.

Considering these issues, I generally buy American over Indian, unless the Indian are in the lower price band at the moment. And even then, I ask for a taste test first.

American apples are readily available even in roadside fruit sellers in Delhi.
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There is nothing called a Fresh American apple in India unless you know someone who brought it personally over from an orchard stateside. I reckon they are six months old by the time you get to eat them, maybe more

https://www.foodmatters.com/article/...ear-old-apples

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Originally Posted by Matka View Post Really? My experience is just the opposite.

Indian apples' prices are very variable through the year in Delhi. I've seen the same quality for Rs.75 all the way up to Rs.300 per kg. American red delicious apples are more consistent through the year, around Rs.170 to 200 per kg.

As for taste, I've never eaten a fresh American red delicious apple that wasn't sweet and crunchy. On the other hand, fresh Indian apples may be sweet or sour, crunchy or powdery. There's no way to tell just by looking at them. Also, American apples are all the same size. Indian apples can be big or small.

Considering these issues, I generally buy American over Indian, unless the Indian are in the lower price band at the moment. And even then, I ask for a taste test first.

American apples are readily available even in roadside fruit sellers in Delhi.
I find that the red delicous looks very nice but taste wise it is not great . I dont know how you can describe it as crunchy. It has a powdery feel when you bite into it and is not crunchy at all.
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Originally Posted by vaibhav_arora View Post There is nothing called a Fresh American apple in India unless you know someone who brought it personally over from an orchard stateside. I reckon they are six months old by the time you get to eat them, maybe more

https://www.foodmatters.com/article/...ear-old-apples

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It's a process that puts the apples "to sleep." They don't lose nutrients. They're still fresh when they're brought out of their sleep.

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Originally Posted by ukdoctor View Post I find that the red delicous looks very nice but taste wise it is not great . I dont know how you can describe it as crunchy. It has a powdery feel when you bite into it and is not crunchy at all.
They're crunchy and sweet when fresh. When they ripen too much, they get brown inside and they lose their juiciness and crunch. But you can't tell fresh and over-ripened from their looks, that's true.
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Himachal apples are American in origin:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satyananda_Stokes

The Johnny Appleseed of Kotgarh.

https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/k/kip.../chapter1.html

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She was the daughter of Sonoo, a Hill-man, and Jadeh his wife. One year their maize failed, and two bears spent the night in their only poppy-field just above the Sutlej Valley on the Kotgarth side; so, next season, they turned Christian, and brought their baby to the Mission to be baptized. The Kotgarth Chaplain christened her Elizabeth, and Lispeth is the Hill or pahari pronunciation.

Later, cholera came into the Kotgarth Valley and carried off Sonoo and Jadeh, and Lispeth became half-servant, half-companion to the wife of the then Chaplain of Kotgarth. This was after the reign of the Moravian missionaries, but before Kotgarth had quite forgotten her title of Mistress of the Northern Hills.
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