Advice needed! Traveling from Kushinagar to Lumbini to Sravasti to Sarnath

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Hello all,

I will be traveling to northern india in December for a Buddhist pilgrimage and would like some advice. My ideal Itinerary is from Kushinagar>Lumbini>Sravasti>Sa rnath>Vaisali>Sankassya

1) I would to know if I can take a direct taxi from Kushinagara to Lumbini & from Lumbini to Sravasti? 2) If not, are there taxis available when i cross the border? 3)what is the best way to travel from Sravasti to Sarnath? Taxi? Or night train/bus? 4) How do I get to sankasya/sankisa/sankassa from Vaisali? Taxi? 5) how much would that probably cost?

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Hi aarosh,

Thank you for the link,
I am going to alter my itinerary alittle, going from
Vaishali>kushinigar>lumbini>sh ravasti>SANKISA>sarnath>varana si. I think this makes a better trip being Varsnasi has international flights and i can send the car for hire back to vaishali from sarnath. Originally, i was going to go from shravasti>sarnath>varanasi>san kisa, but, that doesn't make sense looking at it now. Also, have questions regarding driver for hire, 1) Do i have to pay for their lodging, meals and gas or is that included in the price? 2) are there any driver for hire companys that you would reccomend?
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Read https://www.indiamike.com/india/indi...1/#post2004235 and https://www.indiamike.com/india/indi...1/#post2004251. In the 2nd link there is a mention of a company http://www.mishratravels.com/tariff.htm#tariff

As regards the lodging, meal and gas that is included in the price quoted to you. Whenever I travel I usually pay for the lunch and dinner of the driver. However it is not necessary that you do what I do.
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Hello aarosh,

Thank you for your response,
For full days are they charging by 8hrs of driving (200km) or including standby. I know that they charge fullday price whethere you use the 200km or not but, for example if i go somewhere that takes 3 hrs and stay there for 5hr and then go somewhere else that takes 4 hrs, how does that work being over 8hrs n lets say under 200km?
Also do they charge from starting point garage or any garage for i see they have locations in bodhgaya, vaishali etc.?
Also another question i have, is patna meusem worth the trip from rajgir? If it is, i'll stop there for 1 day before going to vaishali.
Thanks so muh for the help
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How do you get to Vaishali? The Buddhist site there is way out of town, the same also in Kushinagar and Savatthi/Shravasti. I doubt you can get a decent car w driver in Vaishali itself. Maybe has to come from near Patna. IM member Golghar might know more.

To get to Vaishali you need a car already. Are you coming from Bodhgaya or Rajgir via Patna?

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i did not see your last post. I am answering from a smartphone as I am on a retreat right now, working, not sitting. Car answer coming soon.
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Please read my answers re car in the above link again.

If you have a car w driver for the whole trip you are not limited by time. Not just 8 hours or whatever. You can drive all day long or only 3 hours. you pay the same daily base price plus the cost per km above the agreed 200 km if any. If the car is sitting all day on standby, you pay the same full price for 200 km.

The kms are generally counted from garage to garage. Suppose you want a car from Rajgir but since there are no cars available there ( were not when I was there last) you need one to come from Bodhgaya or Gaya, so the start of the km-count is obviously from BG.
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Further advice depends a lot on how much time you can or want to allot to doing this circuit tour. So, how much time do you have? If your time is also constrained by your budget please say so too.

For the Patna museum you do not .need to stay overnight there. If coming from Rajgir you could see it for a 1-2 hours. then continue to Vesali and stay the night there. There is not much to be seen there (at Vesali). Then continue to Kushinagar, adviced via Kesariya (a nice big stupa there). After Kushinagar to Lumbini and next day to Savatthi via Kapilavasthu (the one in India. not the one in Nepal.)
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Hi all,

Thank you for your responses,
I apologize for leaving out some information. I process things in my head and only certain parts come out lol. Anyways,

I am planning to do a full circuit starting at Bodhgaya and ending at Varanasi. The duration of this trip is about 2 weeks.
Bodhgaya > Rajgir > Patna > Vaishali > Kushinigar > Lumbini > Shravasti > Sankisa > Sanarth/Varanasi

I plan on spending a few days at Bodhgaya then early morning for fullday at Rajgir then evening to Patna (stay the night). Then morning to patna museum noon ride to Vaishali. I was hoping to arrange the driver for hire here (Vaishali). Spend the rest of the day at the relic stupa/kutagarasala and spend the night in Vaishali. Then early morning to Kushinigar (parinivarna temple) for 1d1n. Next morning to Lumbini (mahadev temple) for 1d1n. Then next morning to Shravasti (jetavana temple) spend the day and night there. Next morning to Sankisa (ashoka pillar) for full day and night. In the morning, head to Sarnath and parting ways with the driver there. I will be spending a few days in sarnath/Varanasi before heading home

From your responses, it looks like I would have to get the driver at Bodhgaya or Patna maybe? *I have a question regarding the trip from Lumbini to Shravasti, is that do-able? I read somewhere on another thread that I would have to go to Shravasti from Gorakhpur (if i read it correctly.) Any advise?

*Im going on a pilgrimages so will be spending alot of time paying homage (namaskar) and meditating at these sites. I'm also fasting, so if the driver is use to meals afternoon...

Thanks in advance,
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indeed it would make the most sense if you hired a car from Bodhgaya for the whole trip otherwise your first day:Rajgir and Patna would be already impossible. Vulture Peak is on the way from Gaya to Rajgir, with a car easy to cover - without quite difficult. (No idea how you would get to Rajgir without a car... if you want to.continue later to Patna.)

I suppose you want to avoid an early car because of the short distance from Patna to Vaishali. You have a similar situation of not long distance from Kushinagar to Lumbini.

From Lumbini to Shravasthi you don't need to go through Gorakhpur. You won't touch that city at all, as your driver can take a shortcut from Kushinagar to Lumbini also.

From Lumbini you drive after the border at Sonauli toward Nautanwa, there comes a highway towards Shrawasthi and Lucknow, the capital of U.P. Well signed out. Cannot be missed. Hard to say how good the road is esp after the rainy season, but some parts of it are well built for tour-buses, but some stretches later on could be with potholes. But to answer your question: definitely doable.

One thing to keep in mind for your meditation intentions is that most sites you plan to visit are excavation sites under the control of the Archeological Survey of India. Or in the case of Lumbini of Nepal. In Lumbini e.g. you cannot sit for meditation at the birth-site itself but can do so at a little distance under a tree. Similar thing in Savatthi where monkeys might be of some nuisance, while in Sarnath you would probably be approached by kids a lot who want to sell you something, if you sit near the stupa in Deerpark. So better plan to do that in your guesthouse.

More meaningful than doing meditation with eyes closed would be to read and contemplate an appropriate discourse which the Buddha gave at that place.

The driver will not have a problem with you not eating after noon. But the driver will stop for tea or some snack when he feels it is time for him to do so. So you should plan your own meals before noon accordingly.

I hope you did not mean to say that you plan to fast for the whole trip. But only keep 8 precepts (no food after noon).
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Hi Atala,
I am trying to avoid hiring an early car ( if this is optional) because of the short distance between Bodhgaya > Rajgir > Patna > Vaishali. Originally, was planning to get car (taxi) from Bodhgaya > Rajgir (full day) > drop off at Patna (night). Wake up and head over to Patna museum in the morning (*9:30am) , then head over to Vaishali (noon). Any advise? If its not optional i guess i will just have to get the driver from Bodhgaya, which is + 2days

Do you have any experience with mishatravels? Maybe I am misinterpreting there website but, maybe they have garages in Vaishali, Patna, etc.? Or are those just optional meeting point to begin a journey? With the driver coming from Bodhgaya to agreed upon location.

I want to get the driver on a day to day bases as recommended by (Aarosh) but, how do i go about that with such a elaborate circuit. Do they need to know the exact journey ( for advance payment) or can estimate the days (*7days) ? Who knows, maybe a few excursions will arise.

Yes, I will be holding the 8 precepts. Vikalabhojana
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Please note that the "Patna Museum" is old now. You should visit the new "Bihar museum" instead. Most of the arts/artifacts are moved to the new museum.

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Hello Rshalder,

I am mostly interested in the casket said to cotain the relic, ashes of the buddha and the fossil tree that has a suposed date of 200 mil. Did they move those over to Bihar museum?
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Originally Posted by 9and3quarters View Post Hello Rshalder,

I am mostly interested in the casket said to cotain the relic, ashes of the buddha and the fossil tree that has a suposed date of 200 mil. Did they move those over to Bihar museum?
I am not sure about the casket and the fossil tree as I have not visited the museum. But the 2300 years old Didarganj Yakshi is moved.
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Originally Posted by 9and3quarters View Post Hi Atala,
I am trying to avoid hiring an early car ( if this is optional) because of the short distance between Bodhgaya > Rajgir > Patna > Vaishali. Originally, was planning to get car (taxi) from Bodhgaya > Rajgir (full day) > drop off at Patna (night). Wake up and head over to Patna museum in the morning (*9:30am) , then head over to Vaishali (noon). Any advise? If its not optional i guess i will just have to get the driver from Bodhgaya, which is + 2days

Do you have any experience with mishatravels? Maybe I am misinterpreting there website but, maybe they have garages in Vaishali, Patna, etc.? Or are those just optional meeting point to begin a journey? With the driver coming from Bodhgaya to agreed upon location.

I want to get the driver on a day to day bases as recommended by (Aarosh) but, how do i go about that with such a elaborate circuit. Do they need to know the exact journey ( for advance payment) or can estimate the days (*7days) ? Who knows, maybe a few excursions will arise.
Before going into any details in your above queries, I suggest you do the journey from the other end: start at Varanasi/ Sarnath**, then take a train to Gorakhpur (a 6 hr trip), and from there you can visit Lumbini by bus to the border, and Kushinagar 60 km from Gorakhpur, plus Shravasthi/Savatthi by car.

After Kushinagar you take another train from Gorakhpur to Sonpur or Hajipur (near Patna), then a local car for the 50 km to Vaishali. After Vaishali you go to Patna with local transport. This way you save several car trips. Then from Patna get dropped by car at Rajgir, or go all the way to Bodhgaya with day visits in Rajgir area. There is also a daily 3-hr Express train at 7:15 from Patna Jn to Rajgir (but none the other way around).


** In case you enter India through Delhi, you could also take a night-train from New Delhi to Gorakhpur (I took that once, arrived early morning and had plenty of time to go to Lumbini). If you went this way, you could go to Varanasi / Sarnath at the end after Bodhgaya, again conveniently by train from Gaya, and fly back to Delhi from there.

By the way, the National Museum in New Delhi also has a casket with relics of the Buddha, as part of the general exhibition, while in Patna you have to pay an extra Rs 500 to get access to a special exhibit room.

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