2 weeks Delhi-Agra-Rajasthan-Mumbai. Headache.

#1 Dec 6th, 2009, 21:06
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Hi,

Figuring everything out has been harder than I hoped so I hope people might push me in the right direction here.
(if you dont have time to read it all, plz respond to itinerary only then, would be very much appreciated)

I arrive at 10pm on the 10th in Delhi and will leave at 3am on the 24th in Mumbai.

Realising 2 weeks is not enough I originally was happy to just have a small taste of india/rajasthan to maybe come back next year but as im reading stuff I find it hard to give up on things figuring that you never know what the future might bring so wanna do too much now.
Im 22 and will be traveling alone, have backpacked in europe for a month before but havent been to Asia at all.

The one thing thats annoying is that I want to visit the Ranthambore park (and not in a canter) and thats only availlable on the 15th and 16th so that limits my options.
Visits are between 7am-10.30am & 2pm-6.30pm, wanna do at least 2 of them, might like 3 or 4 but given my limited time probably not the best idea (my original plans were more city/culture-minded than camel/park safaris too).

There are 2 really good nighttrains, I feel like I should take advantage and take at least one of the two.
Udaipur->Jaipur 22.20-> 6am.(Can also fly 19.50-20.50)
2966 UDZ GWL SUP EXP UDZ 22.20 JP 06.00 07.40
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Ranthambore->Udaipur 23.50-> 7.20
2963 MEWAR EXPRESS SWM 23.50 UDZ 07.20 07.30


My latest Itinerary is this one.

10 Delhi arrival 10pm
11 Delhi
12 6.15-8.12 to Agra. Agra-Jaipur at 19.35-00.00 (or 20.10-1.15)
13 Jaipur
14 Jaipur to Ranthambore 19.40-21.30
15 Ranthambore 7am-10.30am & 2pm-6.30pm, 23.50-7.20 to Udaipur
16 Udaipur
(10-16 looks allright, no?. I feel like I could shuffle things up after this point. Cutting time in Jaisalmer, extra in Mumbai/Udaipur/etc)
17 Fly to Jodhpur 11.40-12.40 (or rent car+driver?,no trains here)
18 Jodhpur Nighttrain to Jaisalmer 23.00
19 5am Jaisalmer, Camel safari 2pm.
20 End safari noon.
21 Nighttrain to Jodhpur 23.00
22 5am Jodhpur Fly to Mumbai 14.05-16.10
23 Mumbai.

Options to make changes:
-One or Two days in Mumbai(/delhi), seems like 1 full day+evening might be enough so might rather spend it somewhere else (One option is to cut the extra Jodhpur day by nighttrain after the flight from udaipur)and spend it in Mumbai).
-Since theres a good nighttrain Udaipur to Jaipur I could go Delhi-Agra-Ranthambore-Udaipur-Jaipur-Jodhpur-Jaisalmer. BUT the problem is that Agra-Ranthambore doesnt have a good connection+I have to spend 4 days in Agra+delhi before going to Ranthambore which seems too long.(otoh a slow start might be good for a first timer)
-I could take the train to Mumbai somehow, originally would have liked to do a long trainride.
-Originally I wanted to be in Agra at noon the first day, see fort etc and Taj at dawn the next morning, leave midday but since its probably too foggy so early its not worth it.
-I read that Jaisalmer is nice, even without the camel safari.
I might want to do the camel safari at jaisalmer but I also think thats the first thing I'd skip if its not do-able to see everything.
That one is between 6am till 6.30pm the next day or 2pm-noon next day
I could do 3 things at Jaisalmer.
* 2 nighttrains in a row and see it in a full day.
* Do the short overnight camel safari (2pm till noon) and see Jaisalmer in the morning when i arrive and a full afternoon after the safari before taking the nighttrain.
* Or stay 3 days, 2 for a safari, one to see the rest and take a nighttrain afterwards.

Not sure if I'd enjoy the 2nd option since thats probably not enough time but trying to figure out what my options are.

-The 12th is a busy day, but its followed by 2 not so busy days so that might be ok? same for the 15th.
-Extra day in Ranthambore.

ANY help is greatly appreciated! Even if you just want to make a small comment on one aspect of my post.

thanks in advance, I had like 6 different Itineraries over the last 3,4 days so might post alternate ones if this turns out to be crap.

(have not checked if all trains are still availlable)
#2 Dec 6th, 2009, 22:22
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I think you're doing too much and probably need to skip one city to be able to re-order the plan.
What's in Jaipur that you really want to see? Same for Jodhpur and Jaisalmer.
If you can at all do it then travel between Jodhpur and Udaipur (or vice versa) by car so you can stop at Kumbhalgarh and Ranakpur.
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thanks for the input!

I think I'd prefer Udaipur over Jodhpur but if Im gonna go to Jaisalmer, I kinda have to use Jodhpur anyways.
(unless I do, Delhi-Agra-Ranthambore-Udaipur-Jaipur-Jaisalmer-go to Jodhpur just to fly to Mumbai.)
(Jaipur has a good connection with Jaisalmer though, leave 11pm, arrive 11am)

Anyways, it's tough to make it all happen. Right now I lean towards not skipping a city but creating one extra day by not doing the camel safari so things are less hectic.

And good tip about renting a car instead of flying Udaipur-Jodhpur. I'm looking into that.

I kinda feel like the one thing I'd like to change is another day in Delhi so I can start off the trip more relaxed instead of catching a 6am train on my 2nd day+a busy day with another trainride in the evening. Now I need to go to bed early on my first real evening there if I want a good rest which will kinda suck.

Ugh, My original plans were 16 days but getting my visa was slower than expected, I feel like I can pull this off in 16 days but 14 will be too rushed.
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You are trying to squeeze in too much. You will really have a headache if you try to do anything like your itinerary.

Travel in India is not always predictable or on a schedule. Some trains chronically run 4 or more hours late. Some leave almost on the minute.

You haven't allowed any time for visiting the places you've chosen. Perhaps you have the type of personality that can go full-speed-ahead when your plane touches down but even so, you've got too many cities that are not close to each other.

If you can't decide, wait until you get there. Make your itinerary as you go. This way, you will see if you really want to race from place to place or slow down and see something.
We had a month in Rajasthan and still didn't see half of what you are trying to do. We never made it to Udaipur. We make a general plan and alter it as we go.
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That was my initial plan but it's tough to cut things and people here are always talking about booking trains well in advance and such.
I'm pretty sure now I dont wanna do the camel safari and I guess maybe cut Jaisalmer and Jodhpur all together.
The one thing that bothers me the most is the early train on my 2nd day there, I feel like I should take it slowly at first (which means that I def. have to re-adjust my other plans since its already too busy)

One bad sign about my personality is that when traveling in Italy, it cost me a month to see Rome, tuscany and Florence so I'm a slow traveller probably
On the other hand, I had all the time in the world there with my main goal to chill out and relax while in India I dont want to waste any time since it's only two weeks and I have another beachholiday lined up.
But still, you're probably right and I will probably cut out Jodhpur and Jaisalmer.

Ah well, since I'm self employed I will either don't care much for India at the end of the 2 weeks and dont care about missing Jodhpur&Jaisalmer or love it and come back for a month or longer next year
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I'm sure it won't help at all but for me Jodhpur's Mehrangarh Fort is the best I've ever seen and Ranakpur is simply sublime. If I'm ever in the vicinity again I'd do anything to see them again.

I'd skip Jaipur if anything unless there's something specifically there you want to see that you can't beat in another city. For clarity, I like Jaipur but given your time limits it would be the one I'd skip.
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I'd have to say that taking a month for where you went in Italy is not a bad sign of your personality but rather a good sign!

Travel to "collect" places doesn't require any time at all. To get some knowledge and enjoyment requires devoting a little bit more time.

India does not lend itself to speedy travel, though lots of people here on IM do try to cram in alot in a short time. We rarely get much feedback from them when they return, so I can't really say how much they've enjoyed it.

India is a cultural onslaught and takes a bit of time to adjust. I've been going to India for many years and I know exactly what's coming, still my first week I'm overwhelmed, then it gets easier.

I agree with ocean Meherengarh Fort in Jodhpur is extremely good. You can cut out Jaisalmer for this trip & save it for when you have more time.

Jaipur is the capital of the State of Rajasthan and has many good things to see (and great shopping ) also, including the Amber Palace Fort, which we liked .

You can't see it all anyway. India is huge and there is more to see than anyone can in a lifetime, so just concentrate on fewer places with a couple of days in each place and plan to go back again.
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hehe you're not helping :d
(kidding, appreciate the input a lot)

My plans are now pretty much to stay in Delhi for 3 days then (11,12,13)
Travelling the 3rd day perhaps (21-23.35 seems ok)
Agra the 14th, but then I want to be at Ranthambore the 15th so ideally I'd like to travel Agra to Ranthambore on the 14th in the evening but I cant find any good trains at http://www.erail.in/# since its a monday I can only choose from 19-> 1am which is not optimal or an unreserved one.
Both travel 6hours instead of the normal 3 to 4.
(station for Ranthambore is Sawai Madhopur)

Ranthambore 15&16 and take the nighttrain to Udaipur.

Udaipur 17,18 travel by car the 19th to Jodhpur(passing by Kumbhalgarh and Ranakpur). Jodhpur the 20th and 21st.
Train to Mumbai 18hr45 untill 11.45
Mumbai 22nd(arriving 11.45), 23rd.

I can still choose later between Jodhpur and Jaipur later if I'm there and if I read more about Kumbhalgarh and Ranakpur etc.

I do wonder how to fix the Agra train problem. I could travel 19.05-1.00, skip the morning safari and catch a good sleep before the afternoon one. then do the other 2 the next day so I have 3 safaris which is fine.
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Originally Posted by 2dc View Post Agra the 14th, but then I want to be at Ranthambore the 15th so ideally I'd like to travel Agra to Ranthambore on the 14th in the evening but I cant find any good trains at http://www.erail.in/# since its a monday I can only choose from 19-> 1am which is not optimal or an unreserved one.
I haven't looked into it much but have you tried trains from Bharatpur as you're likely to get much more choice? Not sure about availability (it's not working at the moment) but there's several trains there like the 2926 which might do you. If it does then take a taxi from Agra via Fatephur Sikri, maybe even a stop in Keoladeo for a couple of hours, or a spot of dinner, before catching the train.
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Thanks, looking into that now.
Also read more about Kumbhalgarh and Ranakpur and definitely like it a lot so thanks for that tip.

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