Will Brexit make it harder for Indians to move to the UK?

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I have friends who are in the process or hoping to migrate to the UK in the coming years. Might Brexit make all this harder for them?

I've been reading on a bunch of British forums lately and it seems that there is a wave of aggressive nationaliism sweeping over the UK at the moment. Many British people seem to want to stop all immigration into the UK.

At the same time, many British people are under the impression that India is just DYING to be a trading partner with an isolated UK. Where did this impression come from?
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Will Brexit make it harder for Indians to move to the UK?

Are you British, Jula? I am, although I don't really consider my country after 14 years here. But it's useful to know where the viewpoint comes from in these conversations. And, of course, it is possible to be infinitely rude about one's own country without being branded racist/whatever

Anyway, the Brexit madness seems to have three main points...

1. The perception of the imposition of regulations by officials who were not elected, even though member-UK is one of their employers.

2. A balance of payments/receipts issue with selective/creative accounting showing Britain paying heavily for membership

And yes,

3. The same "They come here and take our women/jobs/houses/social-security-benefits" crap that I was hearing as a child in the fifties.

All that stuff sells tabloid newspapers. And the newspapers reinforce the mindset. And Brexit had revealed the extent to which racism was only swept under the carpet for fifty years.

Can't claim to have discussed this much, but heard that NRIs in Britain are worried.

An old-friend Indian Londoner crossed my path yesterday, but all we talked about was music and musicians. If I see him again I'll ask. Straw polls: not hugely authorative, of course... But probably better than headlines in The Daily Mail!

TL;DR... Probably. The easing of entry requirements is a huge demon of the govt/tabloid nexus.

Edit... Erroneous i removed from your name. I spotted that you are neither female nor a Julia. Sorry about that!
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The other side of it is you can't hardly find an "Englishman" in LOndon. There are some who commute from the suburbs though. The end result is that when boy asks for an English beer he gets offered a Stella. And merry England ain't the only country like that anymore..
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Will Brexit make it harder for Indians to move to the UK?

You can find plenty of Englishmen in London. With the proviso that we are are mongrel race and just about everyone has a gene or two from all over.

London, being both a streets-paved-with-gold destination, and a huge port of entry then and now, might be more so. But there were several big-port arrival points long, long before Heathrow, Channel Tunnel, etc, became things. I bet Bristol, for instance, has a nice historical gene soup.

Nycank can give us the data
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Nycank can write a book on brexit

May would have us believe that talent based immigration to the UK would become easier post brexit. Some white paper was released I hear.
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"talent" will be defined according to the taste of the tabloid-reading voters.

Might even mean p.3 models!
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I've noticed a dramatic shift towards aggressive nationalism in the UK since this Brexit thing took hold. Do you think most Europeans will end up leaving after Brexit?
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Will Brexit make it harder for Indians to move to the UK?

I'm really only an occasional tourist there, but still have a friend or two, and surprised at some things I heard.

I doubt that people who have made it their home will do anything different. Unless, for example, their jobs disappear.

British residents and European members will be better informed.
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From what I've heard, people are indeed losing jobs there.

Btw, on an unrelated note, I tried to setup an avatar picture here but it didn't work. Any ideas as to why?
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Sadly in the last decade there has been a swing to the right,in the UK and throughout Europe.
There does seem to seem to be a lot anti immigration bollocks going on.But how much of this is media based/induced I do not know.I live in a fairly remote part of Scotland,but one of my best mates here is originally from Panjim.
From what I can gather,and this is only an opinion,the process for Indian citizens wishing to relocate to the UK will probably become more difficult.Sadly.And this will of course have repercussions for tourists and UK nationals living in India.
What these deluded people donít understand is that the UK needs educated,hard working people from overseas to do the jobs that people here canít,or canít be arsed to do.
The NHS would collapse without non UK citizens working in all areas from the top to bottom.But maybe thatís what certain vested interests want.
I am sorry if I do not express my thoughts eliquently,but I fear a rant coming on.
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Originally Posted by lismoresimon23 View Post Sadly in the last decade there has been a swing to the right,in the UK and throughout Europe.
There does seem to seem to be a lot anti immigration bollocks going on.But how much of this is media based/induced I do not know.I live in a fairly remote part of Scotland,but one of my best mates here is originally from Panjim.
From what I can gather,and this is only an opinion,the process for Indian citizens wishing to relocate to the UK will probably become more difficult.Sadly.And this will of course have repercussions for tourists and UK nationals living in India.
What these deluded people donít understand is that the UK needs educated,hard working people from overseas to do the jobs that people here canít,or canít be arsed to do.
The NHS would collapse without non UK citizens working in all areas from the top to bottom.But maybe thatís what certain vested interests want.
I am sorry if I do not express my thoughts eliquently,but I fear a rant coming on.
I think you expressed yourself just fine, thank you!
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There are a lot of Asian folk living in my area, Indian and Pakistani, and without exception, everyone of them that I asked about it voted for Brexit.
I was rather surprised at first, but it was explained to me that most Asian voters voted that way thinking that if Europeans did not have free access to work here, then the chances of their relatives getting jobs here was higher.

So if that is true, then Brexit might be good for Indians wishing to work in the UK.
Whether we survive and thrive after Brexit is another matter of course...

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Originally Posted by OldandRambling View Post There are a lot of Asian folk living in my area, Indian and Pakistani, and without exception, everyone of them that I asked about it voted for Brexit.
I was rather surprised at first, but it was explained to me that most Asian voters voted that way thinking that if Europeans did not have free access to work here, then the chances of their relatives getting jobs here was higher.

So if that is true, then Brexit might be good for Indians wishing to work in the UK.
Whether we survive and thrive after Brexit is another matter of course...

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I get the impression that once Brexit truly takes hold, the Xenophobia will extend past just other Europeans.
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Will Brexit make it harder for Indians to move to the UK?

Ed, seems curious that those people think like that. Maybe they are considering those already there, rather than bringing them into the country?

I guess that any reduction in number of job seekers means less competition for jobs... But some are going to be nearer the top of the heap than others, and if Britain really is stepping back fifty years, I fear that colour will count, whatever the law says.

I have not seen any news for a week, so have no idea of the current situation with May, her party, the rest of parliament, and those negotiations. Back in the summer, my Brexit friend was saying that the deals were going to leave Britain worse off . Well, she voted for less favourable relations with Britain's major trade parties, so what else does she expect? I suppose: the Rule Britannia fantasy that she was sold.

My entirely selfish view is that I fear for value of my British pension in Rupees, as, post 65, that is now half my income.
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Ed, seems curious that those people think like that. Maybe they are considering those already there, rather than bringing them into the country?

I guess that any reduction in number of job seekers means less competition for jobs... But some are going to be nearer the top of the heap than others, and if Britain really is stepping back fifty years, I fear that colour will count, whatever the law says.

I have not seen any news for a week, so have no idea of the current situation with May, her party, the rest of parliament, and those negotiations. Back in the summer, my Brexit friend was saying that the deals were going to leave Britain worse off . Well, she voted for less favourable relations with Britain's major trade parties, so what else does she expect? I suppose: the Rule Britannia fantasy that she was sold.

My entirely selfish view is that I fear for value of my British pension in Rupees, as, post 65, that is now half my income.
You are lucky that it is only half your income, my old age govt. pension is all I get for any income.

I believe the thinking of people that I spoke to was along the lines that "there will be uk vacancies for doctors and nurses, professional people, etc. which if no longer filled by Europeans might give Asians a better chance to fill them".

I am anti Brexit, we already are worse off, fall of the £... I don't dwell on it at my age, but do find it frightening how the lessons of the past are ignored, the rise of ultra right wing "populist" parties all over the world...

Maybe time to apply for an Irish passport, available to me (with a pretty eye watering price tag) through my Irish parents.

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