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#31 Apr 5th, 2006, 12:03
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I think you should also renew your registration if you move to a different state as well!! A friend was registered in Rajasthan but moved to Goa he had to renew his registration in Goa!!
A year later he got a visit from a couple of friendly policmen from Panjim to check he was still at the same address!!

There are other ways of getting this done, like getting three yellow lines drawn on your forehead!!
#32 Apr 6th, 2006, 11:09
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OK, just so I can make it clear as to what I need to do. I originally arrived in India in March 2004. I was on a 1 year multiple entry business visa. I registered with the Pune FRO at that point. My Visa expired in August of 2004, and I applied for an extension of stay. The Pune FRO stamped my registration papers and told me that I could stay in India but that it was just an application and it had to be sent to the MEA in Delhi for approval.

In October 2004 I moved to Hyderabad. After moving I had to go back to Pune so that they could authorize my move to Pune. I did not submit another registration to Hyderabad. Hyderabad FRO only stamped my document that I had transferred from Pune to Hyderabad.

In Dec 2004 I was married to an Indian national. We were not able to immediately register the marriage because I was Christian foreign national and my wife was a Hindu Indian national. So neither the Special Marriage Act applied to us (because it does not account for foreigners), nor did the Foreigners registration Act (because we were of differing religions). So we hired a lawyer and petitioned the courts in Feb 2005. This was finally registered in June 05

In Feb. 2005 my extension of stay had expired and I had to apply again for another extension of stay. Again the Hyderabad FRO gave me another stamp and approved me for an additional 6 months. This however did take some undocumented payments to complete.

In April 05 I finally returned to the US. While there I applied for and received a 10 year multiple entry business visa.

I returned in June 05 and I did not register with the FRO this time. I again left for the US in Dec 05, and other than getting hassled by KLM I was allowed to leave without showing the registration papers (always good to observe the immigration officials and determine which one is not paying much attention and hop into his line). I realize that this could have become a situation, and I dont want to repeat it in the future. I returned from that trip on Jan. 22nd and I still have not registered with the FRO as the visa explicitly states that you do not have to register if your trip does not exceed 180 days.

Right now I am unsure of when I will be travelling back to the US. It could be next week or next year, that is why I have not registered.

Now that I have given you the long history just a few questions:

1. Is the original registration still valid? I would assume not since I am on a fresh visa.

2. Should I go on ahead and register or should I wait until I come close to the 180 days to see if I will be leaving.

3. What should I do to obtain the residential permit. Do I just need to go to the office and ask for the paperwork?

I will probably get the PIO once I return to the US, but I want to check on my options right now.

Thanks
#33 Apr 6th, 2006, 23:22
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1) The original registration is in my opinion not valid since there has been a change in your status

2) Better to register. You don't lose anything even if you end up staying less than 180 days.

3) Forget the permit and just get the PIO. It is easier and better in the long run.
#34 Apr 7th, 2006, 13:30
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Originally Posted by traceyam Approximately how much does a resident permit cost (including "undocumented fees")?
I just had my resident's permit made in FRRO New Delhi. Cost me nothing, except a lot of time and paperwork. But once all the forms were filled out, the approval itself took nothing more than 5 mins, almost no waiting in line, and very helpful staff..
#35 Apr 7th, 2006, 18:33
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Jeskaliebe,
What sort of Visa are you on & what paperwork did you take.

I'm still trying to get registered - 4 trips and every time they ask for something else. I'm on a Multiple-entry 1-year Business Visa.

The latest answer I got from the FRRO officer was ........... go on holiday for a week every 5 months then you won't need one. i plan to go on holiday a lot - but only in India!!!
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Originally Posted by Pembrokeshiregal Jeskaliebe,
What sort of Visa are you on & what paperwork did you take.

I'm still trying to get registered - 4 trips and every time they ask for something else. I'm on a Multiple-entry 1-year Business Visa.

The latest answer I got from the FRRO officer was ........... go on holiday for a week every 5 months then you won't need one. i plan to go on holiday a lot - but only in India!!!
I'm on a multiple entry 1-year business visa too!
Paperwork, I had to fill out the residence permit booklet, and 2-page form, the hardest part was basically the details I had to include, but not really difficult.

Have you been to the FRRO in Delhi?
#37 Apr 7th, 2006, 23:26
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Because we're living in Gurgaon we have to go to the one here rather than in Delhi so maybe it's just this office that is being awkward. Even if I get registered I'm not sure my husband will; the UK gave him the same visa as me because he was accompanying me; however he's retired so that's bound to confuse them!
#38 May 24th, 2006, 14:36
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(All this in Bangalore)

If you have a multiple entry visum and wish to leave the country you should go to the FRO with you plane ticket, they will issue you an exit permit.

Instead of giving up your residential permit when leaving the country (as you have to when leaving the country for the last time on your current visum), you give them the exit permit.

Getting a drivers license shouldn't be a big deal, but it helps a lot when you can take a local with you.
I now have a learners permit for a bike (the only difference between this and a full permit is the two L boards on my bike).
This saturday I'll be going to take my test and get my full license.

One of my friends got his full permit by showing them his Swedish license and paying an undocumented fee of rs2,000.

My drivers license cost me rs80: 30 for the application form and 50 for the doctors visit (which is just a formality, I just said hi, paid him, and had him sign the documents).

All things considered administration is pretty smoot.
Provided you can take a local with you, otherwise it can be hellish.
After 2 months of trying to get my residential permit I finally took my boss to the FRO, and 2 days later everything was fixed.
My visum doesn't state my employer on it (an oversight from the Belgian embassy), and because of that they were apparantly trying to drag me around untill I gave up and left the country (their words, that's what they told my boss).

But as goes for pretty much everything in this country: Your Mileage May Vary ;-)
#39 May 29th, 2006, 13:05
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So, here's a really stupid question.....What does Indian Resident Permit mean??? I registered with the FRO in B'lore a while ago with my (10) year tourist visa. so my paper (still pending certificate) is my residence permit?? totally confused here..please help me out guys.

thanks!

p.s. I'm eligible for OIC, but have to wait till i get to a metro city to apply..
Om Shanti
#40 May 30th, 2006, 14:27
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I have an employment visa and a resident permit. I wasn't aware that I need an exit permit to leave the country. I am now out of the country... I wasn't asked for my resident permit or my exit permit when I went through immigration. Do you think I will have trouble getting back into India?

I am freaking out!!!


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Originally Posted by bernieke (All this in Bangalore)

If you have a multiple entry visum and wish to leave the country you should go to the FRO with you plane ticket, they will issue you an exit permit
#41 May 30th, 2006, 15:59
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No, only if you would've actually given your residents permit upon leaving the country you would've been unhappy.

In that case you would have to do the whole residents permit thing all over again.

To summarize: you only (might) need that little paper upon leaving the country (or for administration here ocasionally).
#42 May 30th, 2006, 17:21
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Thanks for the info Bernieke. I am relieved. I guess I'll try to get an exit permit from now on when I leave the country.



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Originally Posted by bernieke No, only if you would've actually given your residents permit upon leaving the country you would've been unhappy.

In that case you would have to do the whole residents permit thing all over again.

To summarize: you only (might) need that little paper upon leaving the country (or for administration here ocasionally).
#43 May 30th, 2006, 17:29
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Can I get a residential permit without buying a property, just staying on rent, when I've been in India for over 182 days?

Anf if I have a residential permit, where do I pay my taxes?
It now seems that India's tax percent would be higher than my homecountry's, and naturally I like the smaller one.
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#44 May 30th, 2006, 17:42
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If your visum is for longer than 6 months you're required to register yourself within 2 weeks of arrival.

All you need for this is one proof of residence (telephone bill, rent agreement...), plus all the regular additional paperwork, which depends on your visum (and their mood).

As a foreigner (not of Indian origin), you can't even buy a propery in India (or at least not own more than 49% of it), as far as I know.

If you work in India, you're required to pay taxes. Normally your employer should deduct the tax at source.
Ideally you should also have a PAN card, your PAN number makes tax and bank stuff much easier.
The easiest way of getting a PAN card is through https://tin.tin.nsdl.com/pan/index.html and paying the fee with a credit card, you'll receive your PAN number within days, and the card will follow suit as soon as they processed the rest of the paperwork (you need to snail mail them a proof of identity (passport) and a proof of residence).
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Originally Posted by bernieke As a foreigner (not of Indian origin), you can't even buy a propery in India (or at least not own more than 49% of it), as far as I know.

If you work in India, you're required to pay taxes.
Thanks for thy reply.

Now I'm confused, because I thought one can buy him/herself an appartment, if one stays in India more than 182 days within one financial year, like I have done.

But if I work in India as a freelance, not for any Indian company, and get my salary from my homecountry, do I have to pay taxes to India, if I happened to be resident in there?

Where for example all the retired -person not Indian origin- ones pay their taxes to when they live in India, are residents there?
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