Mixed marriage? Chinese/ Indian

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#31 Sep 17th, 2007, 13:45
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Originally Posted by Dilliwala View Post If u are married to an Indian and living here, your work visa will not be a problem at all, might take a little time, that's all.
Work Visa is a problem for Chinese spouses...I remember Nick clarifying the same in other thread...

But if she can get an offer from JNU then that might change the things a lot for her work Visa..
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Originally Posted by shashank.aggarwal View Post Work Visa is a problem for Chinese spouses...I remember Nick clarifying the same in other thread...

But if she can get an offer from JNU then that might change the things a lot for her work Visa..
That's what I meant generally, thanks for pointing out.

I shud point out however that there is no "official" discrimination against Chinese nationals immigration-wise as there is against Pakistanis and Bangladeshis for example. E.g., this lady wud eventually be eligible for PIO, which the other 2 mentioned above are not under any circs. That there wud be more bureaucracy/hassles involved for a PRC citizen is entirely possible, it's probably on reciprocal basis. However I'll repeat, OFFICIALLY there is no different treatment for a PRC citizen/spouse than for an American or UK citizen/spouse, e.g.
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Check this thread out..

http://www.indiamike.com/india/india...rriage-t42962/

I have no knowledge in this regard..was just telling you what I read..
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seems like the work visa thing is a big deal for chinese,hehe...actually its the same around the world,u r welcoem to travel, to look around and even to do business,but not work there,,,there is still unbridged limitation,either to protect the local work oppotunities or to set up unseen glass-ceiling on the head.

well is it possible to get a work visa if got a job offer from any private companies,not the national-run ones? no idea,i will take a try.and besides,if i just work as a freelance teacher,do i need the work visa as well?

anyway both of u guys enlightened me a lot,and really offered lotta flexible sugestions,which i could check one by one.

thanks u guys
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Dilliwala... Persons may not (apparently) be eligable for PIO if they are or were citizens of Afghanistan, Bhutan, China, Nepal, Pakistan or Sri Lanka.

My source for this is the OCI/PIO comparison chart on the MHA website here.

I cannot find it mentioned on the MHA page for PIO card. there it says ...provided neither was at any time a citizen of any country as may be specified by Central Government from time to time.

Best to check with one's local consulate/embassy, or the MHA in India. Good though IndiaMike.com is, one should not ultimately rely on us or any other independent non-professional site.

But... this from the Indian Embassy, Beijing site:
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Besides the nationals of Pakistan and Bangladesh, the nationals of Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, Bhutan, Nepal, Iran, China and any other country specified by the Govt. of India shall not be eligible for issue of PIO Card. Further, if the applicant himself or either of his parents, grandparents or great grand parents held the nationality of these specified countries at any time, he will not be granted the PIO Card. Stateless persons holding identity/travel documents shall not be eligible for grant of PIO Cards. Iranian nationals of Indian origin can be considered for grant of PIO card after the issuing authority obtains prior clearance from the Ministry of Home Affairs, India.
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Dilliwala... Persons may not (apparently) be eligable for PIO if they are or were citizens of Afghanistan, Bhutan, China, Nepal, Pakistan or Sri Lanka.

My source for this is the OCI/PIO comparison chart on the MHA website here.

I cannot find it mentioned on the MHA page for PIO card. there it says ...provided neither was at any time a citizen of any country as may be specified by Central Government from time to time.

Best to check with one's local consulate/embassy, or the MHA in India. Good though IndiaMike.com is, one should not ultimately rely on us or any other independent non-professional site.

But... this from the Indian Embassy, Beijing site:
OOOPSS! My mistake - I must have read it at MHA's website initially which doesn't mention China specifically.

Really strange list, Nepal and Bhutan are excluded when there's no valid reason. So are 4 other SAARC countries, 2 not becos they are SAARC members but becos they voluntarily split from India (Pak and BD), but Maldives nationals are eligible, the only South Asians so favoured. Wonder why. Another good example of why the bureaucracy shud not be allowed to make lists.
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Originally Posted by Nicole Zhang.Jaiswal View Post seems like the work visa thing is a big deal for chinese,hehe...actually its the same around the world,u r welcoem to travel, to look around and even to do business,but not work there,,,there is still unbridged limitation,either to protect the local work oppotunities or to set up unseen glass-ceiling on the head.

well is it possible to get a work visa if got a job offer from any private companies,not the national-run ones? no idea,i will take a try.and besides,if i just work as a freelance teacher,do i need the work visa as well?

anyway both of u guys enlightened me a lot,and really offered lotta flexible sugestions,which i could check one by one.

thanks u guys
Work is work. But as a freelancer u cud keep it quiet. Your students wud have to understand that as well.
My suggestion wud be to first get your residential papers in hand legally, after that it wud be less difficult to get a work-permit. Applying for everything together might slow things down unnecessarily. And it's not that big a deal about the PIO card, just that it wud have been valid for 15 years residence at a stretch.
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Nick - it does appear that a Chinese national can get a PIO card through marriage to an Indian citizen. They cannot get one if they are going the route of "parents or grandparents born in or permanent resident in India" as this excludes them. However, "OR is a spouse of a spouse of a citizen of India or a person of Indian origin as mentioned above" would include a Chinese citizen (or any other, for that matter) married to an Indian Citizen. What is your opinion of my interpretation?
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Is it possible that she can first find a job and work permit and after that get married ?? will it help her change her status on anyway ??
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I have just no idea,which one should be the fist step?to apply a job first? then get a work permit,or vice versa.moreover,i have to get married prior to all these kinds of applying? thanks
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Originally Posted by Nicole Zhang.Jaiswal View Post I have just no idea,which one should be the fist step?to apply a job first? then get a work permit,or vice versa.moreover,i have to get married prior to all these kinds of applying? thanks
1. Chinese nationals are allowed to enter this country legally on various grounds.
2. NOBODY but NOBODY can prevent u from marrying an Indian national. Not in this country anyway.
3. U haven't mentioned where u are getting married. Will it be before your first trip to India? Then check on what visa u wud be eligible for. If u are geting married here, u can do that on a tourist visa also. Just don't mention marriage under "Purpose"!
4. Once u are married and get your RESIDENTIAL permit (u WILL get it - NO ONE can stop that), then it will be easier to go about getting a work permit. But u can already start applying while u are waiting. Maybe govt institutions like JNU want to see your work permit first before they handle your application, but private ones shudn't have a problem. So long as u don't start working before u get the work-permit, u're not breaking the law.
To sum up - get married first, get Res. Permit, then apply for work permit. At what stage u start applying for a job is actually immaterial so long as u don't mention it in official paper-work before u get the work-permit. But I wud say u shud make it clear to any employer that u are married or will be married to an Indian citizen and have or will have residential status in India on that basis.

Things move slowly in India, so as the saying goes, the fruits of patience are sweet! Good luck.

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Is it possible that she can first find a job and work permit and after that get married ?? will it help her change her status on anyway ??
In fact the opposite is true. Marriage to an Indian citizen is the surest and easiest (or least difficult!) way to get employment/work permit/res. permit in this country.
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Originally Posted by CalTex View Post Nick - it does appear that a Chinese national can get a PIO card through marriage to an Indian citizen. They cannot get one if they are going the route of "parents or grandparents born in or permanent resident in India" as this excludes them. However, "OR is a spouse of a spouse of a citizen of India or a person of Indian origin as mentioned above" would include a Chinese citizen (or any other, for that matter) married to an Indian Citizen. What is your opinion of my interpretation?
Hi Caltex,
Thanks for being the only one to have PROPERLY studied that document! You are absolutely right - the "or" behind a semi-colon makes all the difference! Yes, the text is very clear, except that I think you didn't actually mean "spouse of a spouse" above! Married threesomes have been banned for a while now.
Oh wait, that raises an interesting point - an Indian Muslim man let's say marries 4 foreign women. Will all 4 be eliglble for a PIO card??!!!

EDIT: Then again, there is the "Who is ineligible" column which is also specific. Now it's a question of which cancels which out - the "eligible" list has precedence, or the "ineligible" list? Chalk up another one for the GIB (Great Indian Bureaucracy). As Nick, I and many others have discussed on other occasions, it is now down to the interpretation of individual FRROs/bureaucrats.
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A big thank u to u, D, ur reply was pretty detailed and organized.yeah,i will talk about this with my bf and see his schedule,then figure out where to get the marriage thing done,China or India.
anyway i got a big picture from u guys,feeling much more unwind on the complicated procedure coming soon.well im not in hurry,just see it a precious oppotunity to test my patience,hehe,kidding.may u good day
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Originally Posted by Nicole Zhang.Jaiswal View Post A big thank u to u, D, ur reply was pretty detailed and organized.yeah,i will talk about this with my bf and see his schedule,then figure out where to get the marriage thing done,China or India.
anyway i got a big picture from u guys,feeling much more unwind on the complicated procedure coming soon.well im not in hurry,just see it a precious oppotunity to test my patience,hehe,kidding.may u good day
life is tough,while ppl is tougher.
I shud have added - if u get married in China, check with the Indian embassy afterwards about what document will be required to prove your marriage to the authorities in India - this will be required when applying for a res. permit. Since your marriage certificate will be in Chinese in that case, maybe the embassy certifies an English translation. Or maybe some kind of affidavit is required - the Embassy will know. Cheers.
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There are quite a few Chinese in India. As some poster here said - they look at Chinese at backstabbers. That seems like nonsense to me. To be honest, the average Indian can't tell the different between a Chinese, a Korean or a Japanese. All 3 represent nationalities which your rickshaw driver can earn a few extra bucks from.

I had a couple frnds of Indian nationality and Chinese ethnicity in high school in Bombay and ran into another one such national from Calcutta in LA where he runs a Chinese restaurant. They have all assimilated into India and don't even speak Chinese.

I suggest you don't mention the Sino-Indian war of '62 to a few sensitive individuals and you should be fine.
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