Foreigners doing business in Goa.

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Have been to Goa recently for three weeks. Working on a travel show for Swiss National Television.

Seen and met many foreigners living in Goa. Many of them are having good / and some having lucrative business. I was wondering what would be cultural and economical factors which keeps them in Goa and how does it work well.

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I know plenty who haven't got Business visas!

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Former Raj

I had an impression that at least some of them try to create a former Raj there which would not be possible in other parts of India. How do they get along with locals?
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We run a business in Goa which is incorporated, has all other permissions and pays taxes too. . And, yes, we have a business visa. I must say we are somewhat lucky in that we can operate our business from anywhere in Asia as long as there is internet to remain in contact with our clients which are all over the world.

In fact, we moved our office from Bangalore to Goa 5 months ago, and much to our surprise and delight all our Bangalorian staff decided to join us. Since we have taken on a Goan as well. Besides permanent staff we always have one foreign intern and are now looking to add some foreigners for permanent positions.

In beginning we were a bit worried what our clients would think about us being in Goa (drugs-, hippies-, tourists-, image) but found that many think it is a great excuse to come to Goa :-).

Why Goa? Quality of life is a lot better than in the big cities in either India or Europe. Here you have a beautiful environment, lots of wildlife, reasonably good weather for most of the year, lots of nice restaurants, clean air and friendly people.

The social life requires a bit of working on (not as easy as say in Delhi or Mumbai) but there is an interesting permanent Indian and foreign crowd of writers, architects, artists and business people.

Lastly, recreating a former Raj situation in Goa is not all that easy. Getting house staff (cleaners, drivers, gardeners, handy man, ayahs etc.) is very difficult and more expensive here as compared to other areas in India. The reasons are: Goa has the highest income per capita (about INR 45,000!, source: States and Union Territories of India by Penguin), local people have the opportunity to earn a lot of money during the 5 months tourist season and live of that the rest of year and, many families have a family member working abroad who may send them a couple of hundred dollars every now and then. Of course, there are still poor people and also many immigrants from Karnataka en Maharashtra but during the tourist season there are still labour shortages.
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Seen and met many foreigners living in Goa. Many of them are having good / and some having lucrative business. I was wondering what would be cultural and economical factors which keeps them in Goa and how does it work well.
A lot of people will say that many foreigners choose Goa as a place to do business because of the beaches and the climate. In my opinion that is not the case.

The main reasons from my personal experience are,

) Goa is a very laid back place where the locals do not interfere with what you are doing unlike other parts of India. Neither are the people ultra orthodox.

2) Demographics. A sizeable christian population makes it easier for a European to be accepted especially in the coastal belt where the local Goan christian population is concentrated.

3) The lax administration in Goa is also beneficial from the standpoint of those who are doing business on a tourist visa.

4) Proximity to Mumbai. Goa is not far from Mumbai and it is very well connected to India's financial capital.

5) The large number of European package tourists coming to Goa. Many of these tourists like to patronize bars and restaurants which are owned and operated by Europeans.
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) The lax administration in Goa is also beneficial from the standpoint of those who are doing business on a tourist visa....I know plenty who don't have business visas!
Eventually, flouting of Indian law is going to bite all the foreigners in the a** and India will use it as an excuse to toss us all out. I really wish foreigners/tourists would observe the laws here, however egregious they may seem sometimes - this kind of abuse led to the current (very restrictive) visa laws of Nepal.

A tourist (or any other visa) for any country is not a right, it is a privilege. People who regularly do established business on a tourist visa are abusing that privilege.

As India begins to get its law enforcement act together, there will ultimately be crackdowns and all tourists will suffer. Plus, just in principle, it adds to the corrupt environment that we (supposedly) deplore.

Just my do paise.... :-)
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Originally Posted by sirensongs Eventually, flouting of Indian law is going to bite all the foreigners in the a** and India will use it as an excuse to toss us all out. I really wish foreigners/tourists would observe the laws here, however egregious they may seem sometimes - this kind of abuse led to the current (very restrictive) visa laws of Nepal.
Agreed. This practice of working on tourist visas had so far escaped scrutiny only due to the fact that it was a small number of people who indulged in this but with more and more following this route there is bound to be a crackdown in the future.
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local people have the opportunity to earn a lot of money during the 5 months tourist season and live of that the rest of year.
Do somebody knows how many people depends on Tourism in Goa? The season seems to be very short. Charging a high price in the season for hotels and cars does not seem to be good reputation for Goa. I do not think that they could live the rest of 7 months with that income.

Are Goans good in business? Unlike in Kerala, the locals have not yet used the opportunities there.
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Originally Posted by palmlandtours.net Do somebody knows how many people depends on Tourism in Goa? The season seems to be very short.

No one will be able to give you an accurate answer because there are a lot of migrants from other states who come to work in Goa during the tourist season. When the season is over they go back.



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Originally Posted by palmlandtours.net Charging a high price in the season for hotels and cars does not seem to be good reputation for Goa.
Agreed. The main problem is that most people do not care. They view the income derived from tourism as a short term benefit because they are not interested in being in this business for a long period of time.
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The local Goans apparently can make good money with small guest houses, restaurants, etc. I know one guy who rents out three very simple rooms @ Rs.600 per night for five months and @ Rs.2,000 between Xmas and New Year. Foreigners books his room for months at a time, sometimes for the whole season already months in advance. He makes easily about 2.5 lakh during five months, so over a year that is an income of about Rs.20,000 per month on rooms alone. His wife runs a small eating joint and he also runs a Maruti van as a taxi. He will be adding another 3 rooms this year.

The immigrants earn a lot less, although waiters at popular restaurants can make about 5 to 8 thousand per month plus tips which can be a similar amount or, if there are lots of foreign tourists, more. Again not too bad....
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Originally Posted by birds The immigrants earn a lot less, although waiters at popular restaurants can make about 5 to 8 thousand per month plus tips which can be a similar amount or, if there are lots of foreign tourists, more. Again not too bad....
Waiters in most of the shacks and restaurants do not make more than 3000/month. Of course they get food and accommodation on the house.
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Originally Posted by birds We run a business in Goa which is incorporated, has all other permissions and pays taxes too. . And, yes, we have a business visa. I must say we are somewhat lucky in that we can operate our business from anywhere in Asia as long as there is internet to remain in contact with our clients which are all over the world.
Birds, thanks for volunteering all that info. We'll be moving to Goa in the next few months but not sure about precisely where we'll end up. Our business also requires an internet connection, preferably broadband.

Sounds like you had similar requirements. Did you find this to be a factor in where you chose to relocate? Do you have suggestions on cities to avoid or give preference with such requirements?

Anyone else have a comment on this?

Thanks again,

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setting biz in Goa - Help

I am looking out for a biz consultant and a lawyer who knows all the rules and regulations of foreigners doing biz in goa..please pm me..thanxs in advance for any help
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Hi,

Sorry for the late reply, just did not follow this for some time.

With regards to internet, along the coast and in Panjim it is pretty ok (Indian broadband) but land inwards it becomes more difficult. Were we are there is no VSNL internet, no cable so the only options are by fixed telephone line, Tata Walky or by mobile phone, both only options if you do not need to be online all the time or send large files.

For us none of this was an options as we have an office with 10 people who all need internet access throughout the day. The only solution we found was Sify which is expensive and not great. On good days we all have a kind of Indian broadband but very often it is not working properly and we have internet only for half a day or so.

The Chief Minister has said that by end 2007 the whole of Goa will have broadband but I can not see that happening , still we hope that within a year or so there will be alternatives available. In the meantime we just see it as a price to pay for being in Goa.
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Originally Posted by birds View Post Hi,

Sorry for the late reply, just did not follow this for some time.

With regards to internet, along the coast and in Panjim it is pretty ok (Indian broadband) but land inwards it becomes more difficult.
Are you based in Mapusa?

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