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I am a British citizen with on OCI.

If Britain exits EU, will I still be able to visit EU without a visa ie.. retain EU citizenship.

My passport says I am citizen of European union & United kingdom of great britain & northern ireland.

How can they take away my EU citizenship without my agreement.
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Its called government and that particular issue is a source of some controversy I hear..
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How can they take away my EU citizenship without my agreement.
Huh ? EU citizenship is not a standalone citizenship in itself. It's an abstraction. A nation-state, as a member of the EU, allows its citizens to have a derived citizenship in the European Union. The operant term here is "derived". You cannot be a citizen of the EU without holding citizenship in a country that is a member of of EU.

So, UK voted to leave the union called EU, thus its citizens cannot get derived citizenship !
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If Britain exits EU, will I still be able to visit EU without a visa ie
Yes, but the immigration official at the Schengen border will ask you the purpose of your visit. Isn't that going to be terrible!
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"you" voted for it. It's called democracy.
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post "you" voted for it. It's called democracy.
It was a bit like turkeys voting for Christmas.
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Originally Posted by koshynita View Post I am a British citizen with on OCI.

If Britain exits EU, will I still be able to visit EU without a visa ie.. retain EU citizenship.

My passport says I am citizen of European union & United kingdom of great britain & northern ireland.
After your current passport expires you'll get a new document with a navy blue cover that won't stipulate that you are a member of the European Union. Should Boris Johnson becomes PM and Scotland have another referendum your passport will no longer mention "Great Britain" either.

Of course you will be able to visit the "Continent" without a visa as citizens of other "First World" countries do but the retirement home on the Costa Brava is out.
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My British passport is a 'brexited' british passport . I have not spent the required 5 years in the UK for getting EU rights ( I spent the 5 year period offshore ) .Nor do I have mainland UK born parents or grandparents. I was naturalised offshore .

The holders of such passports are british citizens without EU rights like me .

I have an endorsement inside my passport which states the same.

I have full rights just like any british citizen in UK and Ireland but I need a work permit to work in another EU country.

I was intially planning to move back to the UK for a few years to get rid of this stamp ( As far as i know a 5 year stay would have sorted me out ) but then the whole brexit thingy has made such plans unnecessary.
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“although we are leaving the EU, the European citizenship rights conferred on UK citizens are not extinguished . . . The principle that, although a treaty might be brought to an end, the rights conferred by it are not extinguished, is enshrined strongly in international law.” Put another way, the question is whether the loss of EU citizenship and its associated rights is, for British individuals, a disproportionate and unjust consequence of the UK’s withdrawal from the EU.

In one 2010 case, an Austrian national called Janko Rottmann wanted to become a German citizen. Austria does not allow dual nationality, so Rottmann gave up being Austrian. Unfortunately for him, German authorities found out that he had a criminal record that he had hid from them, so denied him Germany nationality. Without any nationality, or more importantly, nationality of any EU member state, he also did not have EU citizenship status.
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The rule of proportionality for European Courts

https://www.thelocal.at/20160728/aus...e-after-brexit
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Originally Posted by koshynita View Post The rule of proportionality for European Courts

https://www.thelocal.at/20160728/aus...e-after-brexit


Sorry, but legal nit-picking makes me feel drowsy.

So there is hope (or isn't there?) for all those retirees on the Costa Brava with criminal records!

I am quite sarcastic about this whole Brexit kerfuffle as the only people whining about it here are German anglophiles. Scratch the surface a little and it turns out that what they envy (admire?) most about Britain is its class system.
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You are only an EU citizen as long as country is part of EU. EU is not a country, but an union, passport states you being national of that country grants you collective rights of that Union, EU. So correct me if I'm wrong, if country decides to opt out of the union by democratic move, than that country's citizen looses privileges of being a member of that club.
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The back story on this is that the EU is making an example of the uK because they want to discourage the other countries thinking of the same. If Greece hadn't been "hung" by the common currency it would have adjusted, with trauma, a long time back. Other countries are dealing with the tidal wave of immigration. Dealing with individuals by abstract formula usually results in tragedy. Blame it on Rousseau..
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Originally Posted by Golghar View Post Yes, but the immigration official at the Schengen border will ask you the purpose of your visit. Isn't that going to be terrible!
The biggest problem will be the longer lines for non-EU (e.g. UK) citizens entering the EU. Same as we Americans experience now (over an hour to enter the UK last month).

But if by some chance you live in Scotland, in a few years they will have broken away from the UK and rejoined the EU, so it will be OK...except for long delays to enter England.
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Originally Posted by RPG View Post The biggest problem will be the longer lines for non-EU citizens. Same as we Americans experience now (over an hour to enter the UK last month).
In future there will just be two lines at UK immigration - UK/Eire/Channel Islands/Isle of Man/Gibraltar and Other Passports. I'll start flying into Southend Airport. The queues there should remain manageable.


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But if by some chance you live in Scotland, in a few years they will have broken away from the UK and rejoined the EU, so it will be OK...except for long delays to enter England.
They still have to figure out what to do on the Eire/Northern Ireland border and the ferrv crossings between Great Britain and the Republic of Ireland.

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