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#31 May 25th, 2007, 02:35
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Originally Posted by nosianai View Post Airtel has both, but i find their post-paid connections more expensive. Their internet is great. If you get a connection at your home do go for Airtel. They are cheap and i never had any problem. I am currently using the connection of MTNL (govt. service) because they are the only ones permitted at our apartments and they suck. the net is down more often then not. I've heard the same for most other internet providers including sify.
Hmmm, I am really surprised to read this. Nobody, but nobody, is cheaper than MTNL for Internet, and their Broadband service is definitely the best for 256 kbps. (And guess what - effective today I have 2mbps download speed at no extra cost - yippee! They announced 3 months ago that all lines have been upgraded to 2 mbps but that kind of speed used to kick in at 4 am - if u were lucky! ALL DAY now ) Of course the actual speed will be a bit less, but I'm not complaining! I've had their connection for 18 months now, and the break-downs are so rare, that I can remember all 3! One of those was later traced to a virus in my OS, that leaves 2. Of course, that is as long as their phone line does not break down (also very rare in my area - no, I do not live in a VIP area). I used to have Tata VSNL and they wud regularly break down every weekend. And their local tech guys used to be off from 5.30 pm Friday to 9 am Monday!
U haven't specified, but reading your post, I get the feeling that maybe u are using a plain old Dialup connection - yes, that is absolutely crappy. U should get yourself a Broadband connection asap, see here for tariffs:
http://delhi.mtnl.net.in/commercial/...and_tariff.htm
In case u already have one, I think the reason it breaks down frequently is becos the part of town u live in is "neglected", so your local exchange does not have the latest equipment. That shud improve in the next half-year, a friend of mine had the same prob in his part of town, but it's better now. Plus there may not be many connections in your area anyway, so the local exchange staff don't have Internet as their top priority. (Well, ahista, ahista...)
(BTW, may I suggest u take your home address out of your blog? I realise there may not be many net-savvy stalkers in this country, certainly not ones who can read German, but still I think it's not a good idea to publicise where u live).
U say only MTNL landlines are allowed in your apartment block. However, if u are still dissatisfied with MTNL and want to change, I think it shud be poss for u to get "Fixed" Wireless, aka WLL or WILL. Tata and Reliance (not my fav people) have them, I think Airtel too, but not sure. This is not a mobile, it's basically the same as your MTNL phone, same kind of instrument, but no line. Reception thru antenna, therefore "wireless". I can't see how this cud be banned in your apts, I mean, how wud anyone know? U just pick it up from the shop, just like u wud a toaster. And if the building authorities do find out, I don't see how it concerns them, their issue seems to be about physical installation of phone lines and not wanting multiple providers/infrastructure/maintenance, etc. These WLL fone services are coupled with Internet as well, but Dialup speeds only. Still, interruptions tend to be infrequent.
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Even a landline eg BSNL doesn't require much more: mine was set up and working in a couple of days, my 'broadband' (aka fraudband; 256k, Broadband? Huh!) within two weeks.
Hmmm, I'm surprised to read this too. BSNL has been advertising on TV (the ticker at the bottom) for the last 3 months that all their lines have been upgraded to 2 mbps. At first I gave it as much credence as I did to MTNL's claim (ref my previous post), but 10 weeks ago sitting in an internet-shop in little Mussoorie I was amazed to get speeds far in excess of what I was then getting in Delhi (usually it's a case of "where MTNL leads, BSNL follows"). 2 weeks ago - same shop, same town, I ran a test and got an actual speed of 1.85 mbps! Which makes me wonder why these speeds haven't reached Chennai yet. Maybe the trickle-down method is in use - start up North and in a few years it'll trickle down South! Even then it doesn't make sense - since your very own Dayanidhi was the minister in-charge, he shud have ensured that his home-state gets the benefit before everyone else! (Maybe that's why he had to quit? )
Try this tester and see what it says (it's from MTNL but works with all connections):
http://202.159.217.199:8080/mtnlPort...dsl/tester.jsp
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Dilliwala... this is partly where the fraudband comes in. All of BSNL lines have not been upgraded, as their tariff clearly shows.

The 256 Unlimited (not data cap, no charge for downloads however many Gb a day you do) has not been upgraded. So the departed Mr Maran's statement that 256 was a thing of the past was not at all true.

I do have a little monitor widget that records my bandwidth used every day, and I keep an eye on it for speeds: sometimes I get better than 256 for a few minutes, but not even 512.

But there it is --- at least it is an always-on connection

Whoa! I've just realised this the bank acount thread

We're getting rather off-topic here: there is a forum for discussion of such things here on IndiaMike. I can also recommend www.vinuthomas.com for Indian Telecoms and broadband stuff.
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Dilliwala... this is partly where the fraudband comes in. All of BSNL lines have not been upgraded, as their tariff clearly shows.

The 256 Unlimited (not data cap, no charge for downloads however many Gb a day you do) has not been upgraded. So the departed Mr Maran's statement that 256 was a thing of the past was not at all true.

I do have a little monitor widget that records my bandwidth used every day, and I keep an eye on it for speeds: sometimes I get better than 256 for a few minutes, but not even 512.

But there it is --- at least it is an always-on connection

Whoa! I've just realised this the bank acount thread

We're getting rather off-topic here: there is a forum for discussion of such things here on IndiaMike. I can also recommend www.vinuthomas.com for Indian Telecoms and broadband stuff.
See There is no way that they can upgrade the unlimted 256K pack to 2 MB..

They can convert the limited connections or with some cap to 2 MB, because you still have some limit on how much you can download..its just that you can do it faster..

and for a person like who transfers more that 1.5 GB of data on daily basis, a limited connection with 2 MB speed is no good ..but a unlimited connection with 256 K speed will do the trick...
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Shashank, we should not involved in this argument here, but you should see what the rest of the world is giving before your say no way. Even our tiny neighbour, Sri Lanka, I hear, is way ahead of India on broadband offering.

India's offering is poor and expensive. There is effectively no competition, either, with the private operators toeing the line on tariffs. It is a very bad situation which I do not believe will change unless government instructs BSNL etc to target the masses, not just the better off.

But, as I said ... we should not involved in this argument here
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Shashank, we should not involved in this argument here, but you should see what the rest of the world is giving before your say no way. Even our tiny neighbour, Sri Lanka, I hear, is way ahead of India on broadband offering.

India's offering is poor and expensive. There is effectively no competition, either, with the private operators toeing the line on tariffs. It is a very bad situation which I do not believe will change unless government instructs BSNL etc to target the masses, not just the better off.

But, as I said ... we should not involved in this argument here

I totally agree with you, I guess I got misinterpretted..I never said that the service was something to write home about...

I was just trying to compare the two connection that are available from individual point of view..as someone might want to have 2MB connection with limits, and for someone 256 without limits works better..
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Oh... OK.

That's all agreed then
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Dilliwala... this is partly where the fraudband comes in. All of BSNL lines have not been upgraded, as their tariff clearly shows.

The 256 Unlimited (not data cap, no charge for downloads however many Gb a day you do) has not been upgraded. So the departed Mr Maran's statement that 256 was a thing of the past was not at all true.

Whoa! I've just realised this the bank acount thread
Altho the thread is called "Bank accounts", the first poster asked a lot of questions re moving to India, including about net connections, so I don't see that this needs to be limited to bank a/c's. Anyway, I'll keep it short.
1. If your reason for calling it fraudband is becos all lines have not been upgraded, well...I'm not here to bat for the govt., but....both MTNL and BSNL had clearly announced in advance that this wud not include "unlimited" plans and time-based plans. In other words, u can have the best of one world, but not both worlds. Therefore there's no fraud on that count.
2. Nevertheless, I have no dispute with u that a lot more can and needs to be done.
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Don't worry... we are not the strictest board on the internet for staying on-topic by a long way. Just as a moderator on the team I get occasional pangs when I'm assisting in yanking the topic away from the original topic. Which I do often

The wonderful term fraudband was coined on www.vinuthomas.com long before this 2Mb upgrade came along, although the exclusion of 256 (and Mr Maran did, I believe, say, "256 is a thing of the past") from the 2Mb 'upgrade' didn't help. Neither did the 'up to' that graces the 2Mb labels in the tariff.

The very definition of 'broadband' as starting at 256 is a fraud ---in my view. You could never get a 256 connection in UK; it started at 512 when ADSL was first rolled out to the masses, and even then, the term had previously referred to much faster fibre links. Only the cheapest budget offerings have data caps.

Yes: you can, of course, have the best of both worlds! But not in India.
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The wonderful term fraudband was coined on www.vinuthomas.com long before this 2Mb upgrade came along
Ah ok, I didn't know that.

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The very definition of 'broadband' as starting at 256 is a fraud ---in my view.
Actually, in this country, it isn't. The Telecom Regulatory Auth has defined BB as 256k and above. So all those ISPs who use the term as defined are legally in the clear.
But not for slower speeds. (Wud u believe I've had jokers trying to convince me that 128k and even 64k are BB?)

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I know about the definition! That's where the 'fraud' starts!

(A figure of speech, I hasten to add, and an opinion about the state of things --- not an intimation of any kind of actual criminal intent. There... I was worried about being sued!)

So, yes, I'll wait patiently... and not being one of these guys that downloads movies, music and ...errr, other stuff all day I'll change to another plan soon and see what happens.
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[I]don't worry... we are not the strictest board on the internet for staying on-topic by a long way. Just as a moderator on the team I get occasional pangs when I'm assisting in yanking the topic away from the original topic. Which I do often

This post should have been yanked.

Perhaps you should have a thread called Chinese Whispsers....... of course it cant be called that must be INDIAN WHISPERS...... now where will that lead to.

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It'll probably lead to opening a bank account!

It is part of the enjoyable whimsy of Indiamike, but one does worry sometimes that a new member might be put off: I think Olive got the information that she needed, though...

Now... about broadband banking in Kashmir....

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Hi everyone, er - yes, I think I got the information I needed...

and possibly a whole lot more (always useful though).

I have sought advice from my employer in India as to opening a bank account now and it is all underway, so thanks for all your help.

The thread also convinced me to look for a flat share instead of living independently as the whole idea of organising a broadband connection on arrival instils much fear in me...

Thanks again!

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... I got my BSNL landline in two days, and my broadband connection in 2 weeks. It was a breeze. Don't worry about it

But I think BSN are "out of connections" or some such nonsense at the moment. I guess Airtel is the main competitor.

Being private, they'll probably have you fixed up in an afternoon.
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