BACK TO BACK tourist visas - tightening up?

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Originally Posted by Govindpuri View Post A tourist visa should be valid for study or unpaid teaching as long as it is within the duration of the visa.
Maybe it should. But it isn't.

I seem to remember something about now being able to take short courses in yoga, music, that sort of thing.
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Not sure what an OP is.

The granting of the visa while outside India does not involve looking at how long this person has been in the country, how many visas he's been on, and this thing of them being back to back.
Immigration at point of entry seems to come at each case in isolation and they then apply an expectation that you are passing through only. (Hence the requirement of onward travel ticket.)
Being grilled and these accusatory comments about being employed.. And the other ... You must register!..
Presumably this goes to those who are studying or volunteering.. Don't know.
But surely there must be thousands of people like me - long stayers. An Italian long stayer has told me he has been to Cambodia. That seems to be the way to go next if I don't want to handle the cold in Nepal in January.
Ah Incredible India! Are you all also long stayers can I ask?
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Originally Posted by arty View Post Not sure what an OP is.
Original Post[er]. Internetese for the person who started a thread.
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The granting of the visa while outside India does not involve looking at how long this person has been in the country, how many visas he's been on, and this thing of them being back to back.
The hard fact of life on this one is that involves anything they can see and want to look at.
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Immigration at point of entry seems to come at each case in isolation and they then apply an expectation that you are passing through only. (Hence the requirement of onward travel ticket.)
There is, simply, an expectation that a person with a tourist visa will be a tourist. I think they would work by the same generally-understood definitions as we all would: it involves someone making a short-term trip, a visit, to the country.

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Presumably this goes to those who are studying or volunteering.. Don't know.
Students are required to have a student visa. I don't know the current requirement for volunteering.

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But surely there must be thousands of people like me - long stayers. An Italian long stayer has told me he has been to Cambodia. That seems to be the way to go next if I don't want to handle the cold in Nepal in January.
Ah Incredible India! Are you all also long stayers can I ask?
I've been here 11 years. How did I manage that? Marriage! (Here, let me introduce Mrs N...) Among your other correspondents are several people of Indian origin who live abroad, and one who married India long before I even thought of it.

There are one or two ashrams/communities that seem to have a special status with govt that extends to arranging visas. Students get student visas; employees get (subject to stringent requirements) employment visas. Volunteers get [employment last time I looked, but these things change] visas. There are actually a few ways that you can remain in India for longer than "tourist-length" periods without committing yourself to a beautiful Indian lady.

But outside of all that is a basic fact: India does not need or want "long stayers." Population? No shortage. 1.3 billion and counting. Extra bodies not required. It's a pity, because, yes, I know there are lots of people who would like to.
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Volunteer, isn't that another type of visa especially long term??
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Originally Posted by edwardseco View Post Volunteer, isn't that another type of visa especially long term??
No such category. Volunteers should apply for an Employment Visa.

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https://indianvisaonline.gov.in/visa/index.html
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Governement of India issues the following visas: Business Visa, Conference Visa, Diplomatic Visa, Employment Visa, Emergency Visa, Entry Visa, Journalist Visa, Medical Visa, Missionaries Visa, Permit to re-enter within 2 months, Research Visa, Student Visa, Tourist Visa, Transit Visa. Please follow the link for details on Visa Provision and supporting documents
http://www.vfsglobal.com/India/UK/Employment.html
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An Employment Visa is granted to those who are an employee of an Indian company / or those who intend to do honorary work (without salary) with Registered NGOs in India. The Embassy/Consulate may grant Employment visa valid for a limited validity irrespective of the duration of the contract. Further extension up to 5 years could be obtained from MHA / FRRO in the concerned state in India.
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Exactamento! And no one does it more completely than thou..
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Even though tourist visa is for tourism purposes only what controls does Government has to stop people doing any kind of work? Unpaid work is still work.
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Originally Posted by Govindpuri View Post Even though tourist visa is for tourism purposes only what controls does Government has to stop people doing any kind of work? Unpaid work is still work.
None ! Unless the Gummint is bast**d child of amader (our) Chairman, or Comrade Secretary of the People !
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Students are required to have a student visa.

Not all yoga schools require a person coming for a training (whether it's 2 weeks or a month) to have a student visa. My school doesn't. Others do.
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Not all yoga schools require
It is the government requirement that matters. not the school.

I understand there has been some relaxation recently, in permitting holders of tourist visas to undertake short courses in yoga and cultural stuff. It makes sense. It is what brings so many people here.

Anyway, a lot of classes are given and taken by various people completely unnoticed. But not always: I think it was from you that I heard of a "raid" on one such group?
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post ... I understand there has been some relaxation recently, in permitting holders of tourist visas to undertake short courses in yoga and cultural stuff ...
The rules were changed recently (2nd June, 2016). See:

http://mha1.nic.in/foreigDiv/FAQs.html >>

"Activities permitted under Tourist Visa and e-Tourist Visa- Revised instructions."

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Attending a short term cooking/sitar/vastu "programme" or appearing as a background 'sidey' extra on the set of a Bollywood movie are not included, unless these activities are covered by "etc."
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Thanks, ViShVa, current master of the immigration doccumentation.

So it's yoga only. A pity Mr M wasn't a student of veena as well as of yoga.
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No mastery. I just dig and dig at MHA, BoI or VFS.

Then I forget where what was so have to dig and dig and dig again.

A LOT can be covered by "et cetera", whatever that may mean to the MHA drafters.

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