Request suggestions-Kinnaur-Spiti-Lahaul-Sach Pass-Chamba Trip-June-July-2010

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Hi All,

I am a very new member in IM and did some basic research (repeated search) in this forum and come out with the following itinerary for me. Sincerely need advice /suggestion on same along with answers specific to my questions from esteemed members of this forum.

We would be a couple with a 5 yrs old Kid. As I have been looking for this trip for quite sometime now, I am ready to spend 2 full weeks for the trip though I know it can be squeezed.

Background:
My Kid though 5 years old, but travel ready as already she has traveled a lot within and out of India and familiarize with long road travels. Her himalayan experience includes a trip to Kumayun (Mukteswar, Binsar, Chakauri, Kausani) and Nepal. My wife is a doctor, so hopefully that is a plus (atleast I felt that during my Ladakh Trip) in high altitude.

Objective:
We want to enjoy the nature at its best and choose contrasting Kinnaur and Spiti to see nature at its two best extremes. Small trekking specially for good photo opportunity is high on agenda. Safety is a must especially with kid, ready to spend if it makes sense in terms of getting more time with nature but not looking for any star comfort. I can manage budget accommodation as long as it gives some basic amenities like hot water, attached bath, blankets and importantly nice view and a serene ambience.

Here is the proposed itinerary and questions along with that:

1. I am well aware that Mountain Climate (Especially in Himalaya) is almost unpredictable and nothing is in our hands except sticking to some basics like start early and finish early in the day. I am keen to enjoy Kinnaur that gets devastating during monsoon and keen to reach Chandrataal as well, that is probably not possible before June. So I choose to start 27th of June that could be even a week early (20th June). (I know I can't utilize summer holiday:-)Any suggestion on timing?

27th June - Kolkata -- Delhi - Chandigarh (Flight)

I plan to start road trip from Chandigarh as from earlier experience I found the journey in plane around Delhi is awful during summer especially in end of the tour. Also my idea is possibility of getting reliable Car with a driver familiar with terrain for entire trip is more from Chandigarh or even from Shimla rather than from Delhi. But this decision costs me substantially more as Flight fare becomes quite costly the moment you stretch it beyond Delhi. Though we are just 3 persons, I would prefer a Qualis / Tavera considering the roads we would be traveling. Any suggestion on selecting starting point of road journey, reliable car/ drivers and costs that can be incurred. I have seen a lot about Mr. Ramchandra in Shimla here and estimate for a Tavera could be close to 2500 per day this season (extrapolating last years fact and UPA Governments policy on deregulating the fuel). My experience says Car and Driver are very critical to a tour's success, so any recommendation would be appreciated.

27th June - Drive from Chandigarh to Narkanda. (Planning to Stay at HPTDC Hatu)

28th June - Drive to Hatu Peak and then move to Sarahan (Stay at HPTDC Srikhand) - Any experience on PWD RH in Sarahan?

29th June - Drive to Chitkul (Stay at PWD Rest House Chitkul) - Any first hand experience on this RH? I deliberately skip Sangla as it seems Chitkul is closer to nature. But the height difference is 1000mtr between Sarahan and Chitkul, hope its okay.
Any idea how exactly the PWD RH can be booked in Advance , got the website and numbers, but any first hand experience if that works? How the payment is made and how the confirmation is received?

30th June - Stay at Chitkul (Stay at PWD Rest House Chitkul)

Any suggestion on some short treks here?

1st July - Drive to Kalpa (Stay at HPTDC Hotel Kinnaur Kailash)

I found PWD RH are there even in kalpa and roghi. Any suggestion what would be good place here considering amenities like geyser, attached bath and very good views?

2nd July - Stay at Kalpa

Any suggestion on Small Trek here?

3rd July - Drive to Tabo enroute visit Nako lake , read couple of km detours only, courtesy Malling Nallah. (Stay at PWD Rest House Tabo)

Any first hand experience with this RH and any alternative suggestion?

4th July - Drive to Dhankar and Pin Valley and Night Stay in Kaza (Probably HPTDC Spiti)


1. Is it possible to go both Dhankar and Pin Valley same day as I found those are in 2 opposite sides of the main road? What to see / where to go in Pin Valley?

2.How are PWD RH/other accommodations in Kaza?


5th July - Stay in Kaza (Reserve day if Dhankar/Pin Valley can't be made in a day or to add a factor of safety to Malling Nallah.

Would travel Ki / Kibber on this day if it's free else Ki/ Kibber would be shifted to next day.

6th July - Drive to Losar (Stay at Losar PWD RH)

1. Any first hand experience about this RH, I found 2 PWD RH, one old and other new here, any difference between two?

2. On 6th July or if I start on 19/20th June, then on 26th June, what is the probability that I could get a tented accommodation in Chandrataal? I can't carry tent with me.

3. What is the probability that I would be able to take the car between Batal and Chandrataal between 25th June - 6th July window?

4. I never had any experience with tent. How much feasible it is to stay in tent there in Chandrataal with my 5 yr old kid during this time (end June, begin July).


7th July - Drive to Chandrataal and stay couple of hours beside lake, and by 12.00 noon start for Manali. Read this would have been the worst stretch of road between Chandrataal -- Batal - Chotadhara - Gramphoo.

Night stay at Manali (haven't yet decided where to stay though options are limitless it seems)

Any suggestion on Manali Night Stay

8th July - Stay at Manali and local sight seeing

9th July - I want to come down from Manali but not quite willing to stay in Shimla. Any suggestion where to stay to be closer to Chandigarh/Delhi, yet not completely in plane and little serene.

10th July - Drive to Chandigarh and Fly to Kolkata via Delhi.

11th is Sunday -- Thank God!!

Any suggestion regarding pre-booking of accomodation and car during the time I am planning considering I have a kid? I know it is a commitment that finally leads to more expense and sometimes great inconvenience if Hands of God comes into play but probably gives a better control over the schedule.

I am extremely sorry and seek apology for this long and boring post but I am sure this is the place from where I could get some valuable suggestions.

Thanks for reading and would be great if you share a few lines.
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Waiting for replies

I am sure either I have asked some silly questions or probably made the post awfully long, else why no one is replying me

Any suggestion on itinerary, timing, choice of accomodation/ transport / prebooking and anything you feel should be there are most welcome.
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Hi Kshil,
I hope following link of different kinnaur spiti travelogue may help you.

http://www.bcmtouring.com/forum/trav...rth-india-f61/

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/travel...ti-lahaul.html

I found this 2 website so much useful.

cheers
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Thanks for the links

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Originally Posted by einstein02007 View Post Hi Kshil,
I hope following link of different kinnaur spiti travelogue may help you.

http://www.bcmtouring.com/forum/trav...rth-india-f61/

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/travel...ti-lahaul.html

I found this 2 website so much useful.

cheers

Einstein, Thanks a lot for the links. Specially 2nd one was awesome. Driving from Kolkata with family and 3.5 yr old kid and that do in Oct needs courage and ofcourse bit of luck

The snaps are awesome too.

Keep Posting if you have any further info. My trip is still 4 months away and have time to finetune it.

How good the bet is to choose Mid June to Begin July for rain free Kinnaur and Drive to Chandrataal a real possibility (I know I am asking too much). I was checking the climate records and it seems in May, Lahaul/Spiti experience quite high snow/rain where as Kinnaur is better, (also the pass closure is challenge) where as in June Lahaul/Spiti got much better making Kinnaur worse. The margin is quite thin.

Also I hope (just hope) that Mid June would help me to avoid summer holidays rush.

Any suggestion/comments on that regard?

Thanks again
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You are welcome Kshil,
There are lot of travel lovers who do mind blowing adventure journey in India(specially on bike and car-self driving).
Thanks to internet and blogging by which we come to know such adventures.
You can do more research on this two particular website i mentioned, they have multiple travelogue with all necessary information for weather, accommodation, map, road conditions, safety etc..
In July month, its certainly doable, only Problem is you will get lot of snow and possibility of road block or poor weather.
Later months, like august and September are good time to explore as weather is somewhat mild.

In hilly areas nature is the boss. Despite lot of research, you cant predict it.
These are adventure trips, you should be prepared for all kind of problems.
ULTIMATELY '' WHEN THERE IS A WILL, THERE IS A WAY'
Go for it.
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You are right!!

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Originally Posted by einstein02007 View Post You are welcome Kshil,
There are lot of travel lovers who do mind blowing adventure journey in India(specially on bike and car-self driving).
Thanks to internet and blogging by which we come to know such adventures.
You can do more research on this two particular website i mentioned, they have multiple travelogue with all necessary information for weather, accommodation, map, road conditions, safety etc..
In July month, its certainly doable, only Problem is you will get lot of snow and possibility of road block or poor weather.
Later months, like august and September are good time to explore as weather is somewhat mild.

In hilly areas nature is the boss. Despite lot of research, you cant predict it.
These are adventure trips, you should be prepared for all kind of problems.
ULTIMATELY '' WHEN THERE IS A WILL, THERE IS A WAY'
Go for it.

Yes Nature is the boss and if there is will there must be a way. I accept that in that sequence means I know I should make it with proper will power but again it's Mother Nature who says the last word.

I am trying to avoid August/Sept just because that makes Kinnaur more risky as it receives quite heavy rainfall. Let me take a chance on Mid June and see how it shapes up.

I have gone through couple of links you have given and really it is a treasure hunt. I am trying to extract and assimilate as much as I can.

Do you have any idea how much advisable it is to spend a night in Chandratal tents considering I have a 5 yr old kid. I plan it on 29th / 30th June. I don't think acclimatization would be an issue as I would be spending 27th Night in Kaza and 28th in Losar. Also during 29th/30th June, would the tents be available on rent there in Chandrataal. (I won't carry tent with me)

Thanks again for your valuable time and advice.
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From 15 June onwards all seems OK. Most of the tours also start from this dates.
tent accommodation is available in chandratal. various travel agencies provide it. but i don't know whether its a part of their full trip or only tent accommodation. Its possible. Alternate, you can do day trip also(spending 2-3 hours there is also good enough)

Also keep sharing your inputs and information to increase my knowledge regarding this region.

WHEN GOING GETS TOUGH, TOUGH GETS GOING.
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Do you have any idea how much advisable it is to spend a night in Chandratal tents considering I have a 5 yr old kid. I plan it on 29th / 30th June. I don't think acclimatization would be an issue as I would be spending 27th Night in Kaza and 28th in Losar.
Good plan. Children do no better or worse than their parents ( highly technical answer here : http://korta.nu/kotte ) , problems is mostly in judging symtoms esp. in preverbal kids.

Count on frost nights practically anywhere over 4000 in Lahaul , and gear up for it , starting with a sleeping bag liner : I would expect the bags/blankets at Chandra Tal to be cleaned ... ahem , seasonally.
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Originally Posted by einstein02007 View Post From 15 June onwards all seems OK. Most of the tours also start from this dates.
tent accommodation is available in chandratal. various travel agencies provide it. but i don't know whether its a part of their full trip or only tent accommodation. Its possible. Alternate, you can do day trip also(spending 2-3 hours there is also good enough)

Also keep sharing your inputs and information to increase my knowledge regarding this region.

WHEN GOING GETS TOUGH, TOUGH GETS GOING.
Einstein, I like the last line most, thanks for your nice words. Yes I also heard from 15th June onwards success rate is more, I am talking about Chandrataal. I was just searching this forum, found most hasslefree experiences to Chandrataal in 2009 were mostly in July, I kept it on 29th June and if Malling blocks, as per alternate plan it would be on 1st July. Hope I would be able to make but again I believe it's nature who rules and if she doesn't want, even with years of plan it won't yield result.

Definitely I would keep sharing my experience here and kudos to all whose contributions make this forum so rich

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Originally Posted by vistet View Post Good plan. Children do no better or worse than their parents ( highly technical answer here : http://korta.nu/kotte ) , problems is mostly in judging symtoms esp. in preverbal kids.

Count on frost nights practically anywhere over 4000 in Lahaul , and gear up for it , starting with a sleeping bag liner : I would expect the bags/blankets at Chandra Tal to be cleaned ... ahem , seasonally.
Vistet, once again a link that quickly get added to favourite. When I took my then 3 year old to Ladakh 2 years back, I stayed close to Pangong, Tsomoriri and Nubra and no where she had even slightest problem despite of doing most reckless thing by landing Leh by Flight from Delhi. We all had very tough time on the first day except her. I know in case of AMS, past history doesn't carry much weightage but only advantage is she can express her problems now. As I would be staying at Losar, I hope to reach Chandrataal quite early and would have ample time to decide if I can stay or move out.

Few questions for all:

1. 29th June onwards, would the tent accommodation (I am interested about just accommodation, not the whole trip) be available in Chandrataal? Just want an idea based on the past experience.

2. Considering Batal - Gramphoo as worst of the stretch, if I want to stay at Sissu (I heard it's a nice place to stay, though offshoots little from way to Manali) what time should I start from Chandrataal for Sissu to reach before sunset.

3. End June/ Begin July, what is the sunrise/ Sunset time approximately in those areas?
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Hi kshil,

Dont know if you are still looking for an answer to this question of yours - "9th July - I want to come down from Manali but not quite willing to stay in Shimla. Any suggestion where to stay to be closer to Chandigarh/Delhi, yet not completely in plane and little serene."

My suggestion is to stay at Thanedaar - its a lovely non-touristy place about 2 hrs from Shimla and plenty of lovely peak-views, Hatu peak, forest walks one can do from here. Took us about 8 hrs to reach from Sangla. Checkout http://banjaracamps.com/Camps_Thanedar.asp

Also are you staying at Sangla? Its heavenly, believe me! Checkout the tented accomodation at Banjara Camps - http://banjaracamps.com/Camps_Sangla.asp
I have been their with my two young children and they had a whale of a time at the extremely child-friendly resort with lots of activities to entertain kids. You can walk on a small glacier here (remained frozen even in May when we went), try river-crossing suspended over the river, rock climbing, walking to the last army post on the China Border, stay overnight in the forest in a tent...and so much more!
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@ Kshil

DEAr Mr Kshil

i along with my wife are also planning to visit that place during october 2010.Are your ticket for june booked?If not you can reconsider your decision.So that we can Accompany you.

Arnab Ghosh
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i along with my wife are also planning to visit that place during october 2010.Are your ticket for june booked?If not you can reconsider your decision.So that we can Accompany you.

Arnab Ghosh
Dear Arnab,

I was reading your comment in other thread, I am also looking for some company in that trip just like you and it would be my pleasure if we could go together. But after much discussion with people in this forum and reading materials, I felt, June to July would be ideal time because

1. June is the time when Kinnaur still won't start getting monsoons in a full blown way where as Spiti/Lahaul high pass would be open.

2. when you are from Kolkata and choosing october, I understand you would like to use Puja holidays, this year puja is in mid Oct, it might be quite late by that time for Spiti/Lahaul and Kunzum if not Rohtang, might give you trouble time.

3. Chandrataal, which is my number 1 target in this trip might not be possible in Mid oct, atleast experience in different forums suggest so.

4. I was checking out monsoon for last couple of years and the trend seems to be it's coming late now a days and stay till late, usually we have it between June to Sept, which many times in recent yrs shifted to July (even late July) - october. Though we can't predict climate like this but concern is with a full blown monsoon, Spiti would remain unaffceted but Kinnaur might have problems. I saw how badly Kinnaur was affected in 2000 and 2005 monsoon. You are lucky neither of the times it was october (2000 it was August and 2005 it was end june) but who knows in 2010 what mother nature has thought for us? So atleast by keeping in June/July, I may have a slim chance of rerouting the trip from manali side till spiti in case of an unforeseen event but that might not be possible during mid october.

Just to cover Kinnaur/Lahaul/Spiti including chandratal in one circular trip , we have chosen this time even though we couldn't use the school holidays. (Real tough to show some excuse to kid's school though and even tougher to make our office understand that we can travel for 2 longgggg weeks )

Also probably avoiding May (summer holiday) and October (Puja) would give us little less crowd.

I wanted to do the trip from other side, Shimla -- Kinnaur -- Spiti -- Lahaul -- Manali rather than what you are planning (Probably you are planning it reverse) for better acclimatization as suggested by experienced members in this forum.

Even after all this, I am open to your offer as June is still far away and I don't know what would happen in between, but if I replan in october, I would surely let you know and why not you rethink once of making it in June

Thanks - Kaushik
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Originally Posted by modeb View Post Hi kshil,

Dont know if you are still looking for an answer to this question of yours - "9th July - I want to come down from Manali but not quite willing to stay in Shimla. Any suggestion where to stay to be closer to Chandigarh/Delhi, yet not completely in plane and little serene."

My suggestion is to stay at Thanedaar - its a lovely non-touristy place about 2 hrs from Shimla and plenty of lovely peak-views, Hatu peak, forest walks one can do from here. Took us about 8 hrs to reach from Sangla. Checkout http://banjaracamps.com/Camps_Thanedar.asp

Also are you staying at Sangla? Its heavenly, believe me! Checkout the tented accomodation at Banjara Camps - http://banjaracamps.com/Camps_Sangla.asp
I have been their with my two young children and they had a whale of a time at the extremely child-friendly resort with lots of activities to entertain kids. You can walk on a small glacier here (remained frozen even in May when we went), try river-crossing suspended over the river, rock climbing, walking to the last army post on the China Border, stay overnight in the forest in a tent...and so much more!

Hi Modeb,

Thanks for your time. Yes I have been still looking for advice, suggessions from all of you on any of the above question, I posted this 5 months early so that I get these invaluable views of many experienced members like you.

Thanks for Thanedar option, but would it be same like Narkanda? I was staying in Narkanda on day 1, Experience wise would these two be different? Also you wrote it's not touristy, but being so close to Shimla won't be they be crowded in season (I would be there in July)?

I was planning for Sai Ropa (close to banjara/gushanini towards great himalayan national park), have you had any idea on this place? If yes, great if you could share.

Yes on Sangla, I am really confused as I got some extremely polarized view where some people strongly suggests to stay in Sangla and some in Chitkul. As I would be staying 2 nights in Sangla/Bospa Valley, one night each at Sangla and Chitkul is easiest solution but you know everyday checking out hotel is a pain. But I got several recommendation on Banjara camp Sangla and it's nice to know that it is kid's friendly.

Thanks again for your suggession and with all these I would keep on modifying my itinerary until end
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ATM and Cell Access in the circuit

Can anyone tell me or point me to appropriate thread what all places, I mentioned in earlier post in this Kinnaur/Spiti/Lahaul circular trip is having access to ATM?

Also what cell service providers are accessible in Kinnaur and Spiti Valley if at all any does?
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Dear Mr kaushik

I am planning to visit in end september or starting of October 2010,because just last year my cousin brother had been to Kinnaur that time round and he had a fabulous experience thats why i am keen to visit that time.In may june there will be lot of work pressure in my office and i ill nt be able to take leave that time,Thanks again for your nice proposal ,I will think over it and come back to you within 2 days.wishing u a happy journey hoing u go in june,then i will be gaining experience from you before my venture.

Thanks

Arnab
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