More Chickens, More Antibiotics

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In India, a Better Economy Means More Chickens—and Loads More Antibiotics --
Drug-resistant bacteria are rampant on Indian farms, a chilling new study found


"Poultry farms in India are dosing their chickens with antibiotics at such high rates that 94 percent of meat chickens and 60 percent of laying hens tested in a new study harbored multi-drug-resistant bacteria that can cause grave human infections.

All told, more than 500 chickens were tested ... yielding more than 1,500 samples of E. coli that was resistant to drugs that are important in human medicine.

Chicken is incredibly popular in India. ....But unlike in the United States, where many large food companies have renounced routine antibiotic use, there is no consumer pressure to move away from antibiotics."

Ugh. Good luck with that.
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Scary article.

Do the drug resistant bacteria carry over to humans?
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The thing is if someone gets a disease from drug resistant germs -- like the E. coli mentioned -- there are fewer or no antibiotics that can help because the bacteria have become resistant to the current antibiotics. That's why 3rd, 4th, 5th generation antibiotics are developed because bacteria can easily mutate to become resistant to what is currently out there.

For example, there is drug resistant MRSA. And THAT'S scary!

Specific resistance that has been identified and human impact

"Mechanisms for transfer to humans -- Humans can be exposed to antibiotic-resistant bacteria by ingesting them through the food supply. Dairy products, ground beef and poultry are the most common foods harboring these pathogens. There is evidence that a large proportion of resistant E. coli isolates causing blood stream infections in people are from livestock produced as food."

Pretty much why people shouldn't be popping antibiotics for the common cold.
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Pretty much why people shouldn't be popping antibiotics for the common cold.
Agreed. I stay away from antibiotics as much as I can.
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I am almost fully vegan, but huh? The US has renounced shit and all with antibiotics?

As far as I am concerned, it is unhealthy (and unethical) to eat meat. It is not healthier (or less unethical) whether I eat it in the US or in Timbuktoo.

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How Factory Farms Play Chicken With Antibiotics

PS: Although it refers to total antibiotic consumption, I think (or does it only refer to farm use?), the graph on the right would be more alarming for US meat eaters if it was adjusted to show antibiotic consumption per capita
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????

There is a lot antibiotic and growth hormone free chicken and beef available in stores here so I don't understand the question.

I don't eat chicken or beef. However, I live about 15 minutes from family farms that sell all types of "drug free" meats. There are many family farms in the US that sell to their local markets. I also spend a lot of time in Santa Fe NM, so yeah, there too. My suburb allows residents to have chickens inside the city limits for those who want fresh eggs. Damn rooster two houses down wakes me up every morning.

Of course the majority of meat in the food chain is from factory farms but local food (no antibiotics, hormone free, "grass fed", etc.) is readily available. "Local food", sustainable "farm to table" is definitely a thing. While I doubt even family farms are TOTALLY drug free (in the same way marketing something as 100% "natural" is BS), if you want to find locally sourced, non factory farm meat you can. Very easily.

I don't get the sarcasm.
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Stray thoughts, chicken raising is extremely prone to disease. One of the daffy ideas of the Peace Corps in India in the old, old days was to encourage farmers to raise chickens. Since the farmers were out in the boondocks (mofussil to some of you) they had zip vet services and the chickens all croaked. If you want that chicken korma you have to make compromises. Did I mention that a decent Indian restaurant has moved into town? I ain't goin to give up my tandoori, over my cold dead body..
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yes, that's what the article said. crap conditions raising chickens in India, lots die, so pump them full of antibiotics. ugh.
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Of course the majority of meat in the food chain is from factory farms but local food (no antibiotics, hormone free, "grass fed", etc.) is readily available.
Here too.

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crap conditions raising chickens in India
there too

I still don't t see the point of the original quoted article; it does not apply only to India, but I guess it is acceptable to single it out.
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It'd be interesting to know how the adverse effects of eating antibiotic-injected chicken compares with the harm one's body endures by eating tons of pesticide soaked veggies over the years. Apples and oranges? Sure, but in this case a comparison might just be called for as many people ingest both in large quantities... and, no matter what you eat nowadays you're putting poison in your body in one way or another.

I read a detailed article a couple of months ago which argued (cogently) that almost all seafood (can't remember the specifics--which areas and which fish) contains traces of plastics and other junk.

Then they say, don't eat basa, it could truly poison you.

Pork--tape worm! The list is endless..

Also, cows are given huge amounts of hormones--so that pure cow milk and cheese and paneer is also quite tainted. how harmful is that?

Sure the degree of toxicity varies, and science and results can even change with time...(Coconut oil is bad for you!!...no wait, it is actually good for you...what is the status now??)...not to mention we all tend to cherry pick findings that fit with our lifestyle choices...So how alarming is this news really? bad enough for chicken, as it is currently raised and farmed, to be pulled from the market?
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Nah, coconut appears associated with Alzheimer's which may explain my sad memory and worse typing skills. Here is the problem with almost all such research. Its nearly all correlation rather than the more exhaustive and meaningful causation research so its very iffy, possibly coincidental. Yeah, I know there is now a ton of work on just how many errors especially in Math and flat out falsification occurs in research. So eat drink and be merry. Maybe the BHT preservative will give longevity (some research). The hottest buzz now is related to something used for another purpose..

A caveat: all my extremely scant knowledge comes from spending a part of my childhood on a real chicken farm as opposed to factory cages. We were range chicken before it was fashionable and our business model was to put the coop near the road so that unwary drivers would have to pay up and we would have both cash and fried chicken for dinner. In the US chickens have to go through a withdrawal period to eliminate traces of the antibiotics employed. Bacteria are a different matter. In India I doubt there is any such practice necessarily. Oh, and its different antibiotics than used for humans.
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We don’t have a great reputation either, do we?

TTIP trade deal could see poorly regulated American food hit British tables

• ANTHONY FAIOLA

On a velvety green patch of the French countryside, organic farmer Jean Cabaret gives a little shudder. A looming trade deal with the United States, he fears, may make his worst culinary nightmare come true: an invasion of Europe by American “Frankenfoods”.
“Hormone-boosted beef. Chlorine-washed chicken. Genetically altered vegetables. This is what they want for us,” warned Cabaret, standing before his majestic herd of free-range cows. “In France, food is about pleasure, about taste. But in the United States, they put anything in their mouths. No, this must be stopped.”
In Europe, this is a season of angst — even paranoia — over a historic bid to link the United States and the 28-nation European Union in the world’s largest free-trade deal.
Passage of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) could be a globalisation milestone, creating a megamarket of 800 million consumers from Alaska to Finland, Hawaii to Greece. Import duties — many of which already are low — could be further reduced. More important, the deal could finally tackle nontariff barriers, including differing data protection and food safety standards that have long stood in the way of transatlantic commerce….

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...s-9906889.html
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It'd be interesting to know how the adverse effects of eating antibiotic-injected chicken compares with the harm one's body endures by eating tons of pesticide soaked veggies over the years
Here too, quite a few people in India are switching to organic. Small percentage-of-population numbers, sure, but this movement is growing and sure to grow more, cost is a factor. Heartening to see many youngsters amongst the converts.

But this is sadly true

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Originally Posted by capt_mahajan View Post Here too, quite a few people in India are switching to organic.
I see more and more "organic" shops, but wonder how many quoatation marks to put around "organic." Is it the 21st-century Government Approved?
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Originally Posted by capt_mahajan View Post there too

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who said there weren't?

plenty of articles to be had about US factory farm conditions, dairy farm conditions. But it's an article about India and this is a forum about India. An American mag can't report on other countries? Don't get it.

following the links backward in the article this one is interesting about "Dutch farmers just say no to antibiotics for livestock."

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