India for junkies - a bad place or good?

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#1 Jul 9th, 2016, 23:31
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Straight up, this *really* isn't about me, I have minor medical problems, but thankfully addiction to opiates is not one of them.

Anyway, I know a guy who is a proverbial basket case. I have given up on getting him into treatment because, hey -- 'you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.' He is constantly lying and full of so many hare-brained theories about how to cure his addiction, but he won't take the step of going into medically supervised treatment or any treatment. I tell him it's not going to be easy, he has to take some cognitive behavioural therapy and/or SEE A DOCTOR, and especially be ready for the long haul. I am not even going to look up what might be offered in India because he wasted my time with all the research I did for places elsewhere. He bitches about the price (indeed treatment centres are expensive) yet flies around Asia trying to satisfy his other much less harmful habit of pleasure-seeking. He's not poor.

Anyway, I suggested that if he can stop being such a jerk, to join me in the mountains. Take a break, reassess, get some fresh air. But I am having second thoughts. Maybe the availability of codeine cough syrup (the active ingredient of which is what he *says* he is using now, but frankly I think he is still popping oxycontin) will be too tempting for him. I don't believe that for one minute the cough syrup crackdown will be effective.

Frankly, I don't have a ethical problem with him being an addict, only how he behaves now, presumably because of his self-indulgent habit. I told him to shut up with his complaining, that I am tired of hearing about it -- either get his drugs
or get off of the drugs, but stop whining about it. Nobody held a gun to his head and made him take the drugs. Be a man and deal with it.

One concern is guilt by association. Let's say we stay in the same guesthouse (I am certainly not going to share a room with him) and are seen together. Let's say he indulges in his habit. I am tempted to tell him to stay where he is!

Any member here have personal experience of close friends who have either kicked the habit or found some workable solution to maintain their habit without going nuts. IN INDIA?
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Indian jails & courts can be tough and its a like a smorgasbord for access. There may be worse places for this like Turkey. Treatment options like looking at the Himalayas may not cut it..
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That kind of stuff is plentiful and cheap in India. Not the best place to kick the habit imo.

And traveling with a junkie would wear on my nerves.

And like you said guilt by association could be a problem if he's busted.
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Thanks, you are verifying what I suspected would be the case. I will tell him to stay where he is.

Last time I went to Pattaya to try to help him out he did not appreciate my efforts and I left disgusted. I think he will be thoroughly insane or dead within two years. Like I said, I don't have a problem with him being an addict. Being on the drugs or not needing the drugs - I could care less. Not my business. It's his yo-yo or trying to go *off* that turns him into a nut case, and I don't like being around him then. Tempting to lock him into a house for 60 days and feed him food through the door. But that would just be the beginning. He didn't like hearing it but I told him about watching my mum for 2 weeks going off oxycontin after over ten years. Not a pretty sight. It wasn't the tapering that was hell for her, it was going from a very small amount to zero. Funny thing is even I tried various drugs in the past, in small doses, not regularly, that are supposed to be addictive and I never got addicted. Now, I can barely tolerate caffeine in tea and scrutinize every prescription before I ingest! Ah,the benefits of being a boring old man.

Conclusion:India -- bad choice to invite addicts as travelling companions, for all concerned
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Back in 1960-something, my cloaked, beaded, long-haired-male friend was wandering some Cornish lanes, near his home, in a psychedelic daze. Cornwall always attracted strange people (my family and I being no exception) and there would be many itinerant hippies about in the summer months of those years.

A police car zoomed past him and screeched to a halt. Well, probably not zoomed and screeched; it might have been something like a Morris Minor. Anyway, the policeman leapt out and rushed towards my friend. He stopped, said, in a broad Cornish accent, "Oh! That's all right boy, you're local," got back in his car and drove away.

Your friend and you are not going to be, in any sense, local. I think your conclusion is correct.
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The closest and scariest I have come with drugs in India was in Udaipur. A french guy in the room beside us got murdered over drugs. No need to give a hint.
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Three words. Locked Up Abroad.

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Actually, I think he gets his by prescription.
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http://deaddictioncentres.in/news/po...ugar-part-two/


The United Nations recently declared India as southern Asia's biggest consumer of heroin, in a comprehensive drug report. Often thought of as an ideal transit point for countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan or Nepal, most of the drugs in southern Asia don't make it out of our country.
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Originally Posted by Sama View Post Three words. Locked Up Abroad.

It's a TV show. True stores. Watch it.
Locked up abroad is one of my faves. Some incredible stories for sure. And not all are about drugs or smuggling. Some incredible true life stories of surviving kidnappings also.

Did you see the one where that wanker bitch from the UK used this innocent guy, asking him to go to maybe Venezuela with her and her sole intent was to smuggle coke back to the UK unbeknownst to him. I think she put some in his luggage also and they got busted. He ended up spending years in prison because of that evil bastard!

And a great movie is Brokedown Palace starring Claire Danes and Kate Beckingsale as 2 girls innocently conned into smuggling heroin from Thailand to hong kong without their knowledge
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But isn't India, due to its population the biggest consumer of *everything*, for example rice? I do not find this to be a convincing argument.

Maybe heroin would be better for him than the stuff he is taking now.

But somehow I don't picture Calcutta having harm reduction injection sites like Vancouver. Actually, if I was an alcoholic I would be up in arms. Why tax booze so that its retail price is 80% tax, if heroin is distributed so generously? Unfair!

Speaking of brain-damaging drugs, I do not recall whether it was Calcutta or Bombay that taxes alcohol consumption in bars so high. Do you? And are bars a good place to find cheap filling snacks?
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Not something I have ever looked into. Hope I never have to! But I don't think there is any legal prescription of heroin or substitute in India. If you want to enquire into that, I don't think this is the site to do it. One of the search engines will guide you.
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As far as I know he is not into that, or rather that is not into him. But as he lies through his teeth, who knows? Boring subject, I have moved onto Sikkim tourism in another section.
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Originally Posted by ananda2193 View Post Locked up abroad is one of my faves. Some incredible stories for sure. And not all are about drugs or smuggling. Some incredible true life stories of surviving kidnappings also.

And a great movie is Brokedown Palace....


I DID see Brokedown Palace!

Locked Up Abroad freaks me out, yaar!

when I went to Tanzania and my friend said something about leaving my bag behind in Zanzibar because something about a weight limit, smaller planes, whatever, and her daughter would arrange for the bag to meet me in Arusha.

I freaked. I was like, WHAT?! LEAVE MY BAG BEHIND SO SOMEONE COULD PUT WHO KNOWS WHAT IN IT?! and then I get arrested when I pick up my bag in Arusha and spend the rest of my life in a Tanzanian jail?!

As it turned out, I could take my bag with me!
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Checked baggage, and Left-luggage-lockers are ideal places to setup a person.
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