Boozing in Baroda

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Originally Posted by Dave W View Post I wasn't really looking forward to a week's tour of the state next year but I now realise that we shall have to party pretty hard if we are to consume our ration. If we don't manage to get through it all are we allowed to take the excess away with us or does it have to be consumed in Gujarat?
You can bring alcohol into Gujarat if you have a permit before hand, in either BOM/DEL or if flying into Ahmedabad airport, grab one there. You can also take it out. But, from second hand anecdotal accounts, booze in Gujarat is expensive.
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a) Is the ice bought locally safe enough (I suspect he has a delicate stomach, though he wont admit). Trip'd be in winters, too cold to use your airconditioning method.
We don't use ice ourselves by preference, but wouldn't trust local ice if we did. It caused us a problem when a kind family in the suburbs of Madurai invited us to join them for Pongal-making. They went to special trouble to send one of the kids out for a bottle of Limca, then served it with homemade ice. Nothing for it but to suck the stuff down, and we suffered no ill effects; but we did worry.

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Originally Posted by vaibhav_arora View Post b) Can a permit be procured in Rajasthan (specifically in Jaipur) or does it have to be in Delhi? What's the address from where you got the permit?
Never had to find out, having heard (from Swagatam, corroborated on IM) that we'd have no trouble getting a permit in Gujarat. We'd scarcely got to our hotel room in Baroda when the chief porter dragged us off to buy a liquor permit right there in the hotel. Seems the requisite state official was only available on short hours in the liquor shop, and we were made to hurry to catch him. We gather that this is how it works in any of the many tourist hotels that have state liquor shops – the state official is there only during certain hours, but the shops are open quite a lot longer.

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Originally Posted by vaibhav_arora View Post c) Would the hotel staff buy the beer and deliver in his room if he has the permit? (it'd be a nice hotel, three star I think)
Probably. We wanted to make our own selection, so went to the shop in the first hotel lobby on our own, guided by the chief porter. But the porter insisted on delivering our purchases, probably searching for a tip. In a hotel in Ahmedabad, where the liquor shop was accessed via a separate entrance, we selected, bought, and carried our own – though the staff were a bit surprised.

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Originally Posted by vaibhav_arora View Post d) Can he use the permit anywhere in Gujarat? ('suppose so but nice to hear a yes)
Yes. You have to keep track of your permit, as each venue ticks off your history of purchases.

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Originally Posted by vaibhav_arora View Post e) Is kingfisher available in Gujarat?
In theory. But the system runs pretty sloppily, and you can't count on the availability of any favorite product. There will be beer, and there will a top quality local beer, but it may not be Kingfisher.

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Originally Posted by vaibhav_arora View Post I know your're away fishing at the moment, but when you're done downing one or several, have some consideration and help him quench his thirst too. I'd have gladly given him more reliable information but I don't drink.

thanks in advance!!

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Originally Posted by Dave W View Post ...If we don't manage to get through it all are we allowed to take the excess away with us or does it have to be consumed in Gujarat?...
As nycank says, you can take it out. But at these prices you'd be better to try to estimate your needs quite closely and not overbuy.

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Originally Posted by nycank View Post You can bring alcohol into Gujarat if you have a permit before hand, in either BOM/DEL or if flying into Ahmedabad airport, grab one there. You can also take it out. But, from second hand anecdotal accounts, booze in Gujarat is expensive.
Problem is, you can't carry liquids in your carry-on luggage. I'd be leery of sending it through in checked luggage, either because of breakage or theft. But if you're driving into the state, it makes sense.

I must say, we had worked ourselves into a tizzy worrying about this latter-day Prohibition and feared all manner of G-men with Tommy guns were going to be busting into our room to check on our liquor consumption. In fact no one seemed to give a damn how much we had nor what we did with it once we'd bought it, so long as we didn't do it in the street and frighten the horses.

I suspect in the end the state have recognized the need to allow dipsomaniacal foreigners (by which they mean anyone not of Gujarat) the possibility to imbibe, if only to promote tourism; but to honor Gandhiji's memory they want to restrict alcohol closely, so have created an elaborate structure to limit availability and consumption. The upshot is that they've established a great, lumbering bureaucracy, intimidating in the way of all bureaucracies – that is, because they're such intransigent pains in the ass. They may indeed have succeeded in limiting consumption by locals. But I'm told that any Gujarati with a note from his doctor can buy alcohol at the same shops as the foreigners, so it's only the poor locals without the right contacts who are denied liquor in practice.
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Hi hfot2,
It is not Gandhi-ji's memory which is being honoured by the prohibition on alcohol in Gujarat. If you read Verrier Elwin's explanations on the subject, it is Gandhiji's entourage who insisted on the ban. They interpreted Gandhi's way of life and attempted to force it on others, which is not the way Gandhi saw things at all. All imposition by force is contrary to Gandhian principles.
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Originally Posted by hfot2 View Post Problem is, you can't carry liquids in your carry-on luggage. I'd be leery of sending it through in checked luggage, either because of breakage or theft. But if you're driving into the state, it makes sense.


But I'm told that any Gujarati with a note from his doctor can buy alcohol at the same shops as the foreigners, so it's only the poor locals without the right contacts who are denied liquor in practice.
It turns out that, I do this all the time BOM-DEL domestic coming out of JFK-BOM flight, I put two bottles (sometimes 3) in my carryon and then change domestically as fragile checked luggage - never broken or theft. Luckily, my utility daily use poison @Duty Free sometimes it in a hard plastic bottle


I have been told nearly every drinking Gujarati knows where to get authentic ( as opposed to fake, illicit) hard liquor without any hassle. If there is prohibition, there will be bootleggers


BTW: Gujarat is not the only state that is dry. There are others, and in states where the natives had a drinking culture to begin with.
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Originally Posted by nycank View Post BTW: Gujarat is not the only state that is dry. There are others, and in states where the natives had a drinking culture to begin with.
That's rather alarming news. Can you be more specific?
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Originally Posted by Dave W View Post I wasn't really looking forward to a week's tour of the state next year but I now realise that we shall have to party pretty hard if we are to consume our ration. If we don't manage to get through it all are we allowed to take the excess away with us or does it have to be consumed in Gujarat?
I suppose it'd be far easier to just sell the excess pieces to any Gujarati you make *friends* with. Although Nycank has clarified they know where to get the legit stuff, I'm sure they'll oblige a visitor. Insist for payment in hard currency.

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Originally Posted by Dave W View Post Vaibhav - I would advise your "friend" to avoid ice altogether. It's made from water which all the guide books and Mr W.C. Fields* tell us to avoid. Personally I only trust beer, and then only when I see the crown cork removed.
A friend of mine washes her hair in that stuff. She thinks it's the best conditioner. I dont know if she chills it with ice before but she uses kingfisher .... I'll let her know whatever she's been doing till date is in some way validated by other old people ...
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We old people have known about this for years. However it looks like we are taking our secret to the grave.

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UPDATED: 00:19, 2 July 2011

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Originally Posted by Dave W View Post That's rather alarming news. Can you be more specific?
No game tonight

http://excise.mizoram.gov.in/page/ac...epartment.html

http://nagaland.nic.in/Report/MON%20...(Released).pdf

[Page 131]

PS: I have not been to that region for eons, so it is based on other people's knowledge.
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Thank you for this invaluable information. It has set my mind at rest and I can now relax over my breakfast time snifter.
Nagaland has only 13km of railways and Mizoram doesn't seem to have any passenger trains at all so have not yet featured in my plans.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_India
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Hello hfot2
When reading your lesson on “units” and “milliliters” and bottles of beer and units per weeks, and weeks per month, and long months and short months, my head began to twirl. I felt that, I did not need a KINGFISHER with my dinner but, just another read of hft2’s write-up would do the trick and definitely be much cheaper.
ha! Ha!! HAA!!!
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I didn't find that getting a liquor permit in ahmedabad all that difficult. It was a one day affair, submitted my temporary residency application in the morning along with the fee (rs. 200 or 300, cant remember, its written on the form) and I was able to pick it up in the evening. I've got myself 4 units a month which is apparently the max they'll give. If you're coming here for a temporary visit, then you can apply for a temporary permit at the booze shop itself, you'll get 4 units a month, however, you'll be limited to buying one unit a week.

One unit consists of:
10 large bottles of beer or 13 cans of beer or 20 small bottles
1 bottle of hard liquor (spirits)
3 bottles of wine/champagne/etc

I hear there are bootleggers which charge between the duty free prices and the booze shop prices, but I assume thats a risky affair and I never saw the need.

In ahmedabad, I suggest going to the booze shop at cama hotel. although don't get offended if they're rough/rude with you, they will not answer your questions, and dont expect much service. Buy your booze and leave. They do have a good selection.

In baroda, I would suggest going to the one near crossword circle, i think its called patel distributors or something. Its relatively easy to find.

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