PIO - With no Indian Passport or Birth Certificate
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#1
| Member

PIO - With no Indian Passport or Birth Certificate

I am applying for my PIO claiming from my late father who was born in India but became a naturalized US Citizen. I do NOT have a Birth Certificate for him as none was ever issued by municipality back when he was born and I cannot locate his original Indian passport which was cancelled almost 50 years ago.
Has anyone else applied for or been issued a PIO without either or could advise on what alternative documents will work the as I am applying in New York with the following:

1. A signed with sealed letter from his College in Madras stating years he attended and what was his permanent address at the time which was in India

2. A signed sealed letter from his secondary school in Tamil Nadu also listing his dates of attendance

3. A signed and sealed letter from family Church in South India attesting family

4. Copy of his Naturalization Certificate issued by the US Dept of State where it is stated that his former nationality is INDIA.

5. Records from the India Office Library listing my Grandfathers service

Many thanks for any advice as per alternative documents that suffice.

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#2
| Clueless
Give it a shot.

There was an agency something to do with roots. Which would research the lineage; they charged about Rs 20,000; endorsed by the foreign mission (I forget which country's Indian mission had a link to it) If they were successful, then the Indian mission would take their findings as sufficient to grant one. I do not have to energy to hunt the link or thread down. I do remember posting it here (or maybe it was elsewhere ;) )

Do a search here.
#3
| Maha Guru Member
4. and 5. are strong evidentiary documents. Why don't you apply for an OCI rather than a PIO?
#4
| Member
Thanks both of you for replying . Will try and see ! I will look at lineage as well. I was born in USA so that's why pio over oci
#5
| Maha Guru Member
You being born in the USA is not a concern for issue of an OCI. Either parent or grandparent must have been a eligible to become a citizen of India:

Overseas Citizenship of India
A foreign national, who was eligible to become citizen of India on 26th January 1950 or belonged to a territory that became part of India after 15th August 1947 and his/her children and grand children are eligible for registration as OCI. However, if the applicant had ever been a citizen of Pakistan or Bangladesh, he/she will not be eligible for OCI. A person who may have been a citizen of Pakistan or Bangladesh, and is married to a person eligible for registration as OCI is not eligible for grant of OCI. However, their children are eligible as OCI. An OCI Registration Card will be issued by the Indian Missions/Posts abroad after scrutinizing the application and deciding eligibility...
#6
| Loud Noisy Bird

Originally posted by: nycank View Post

Give it a shot.

There was an agency something to do with roots. Which would research the lineage; they charged about Rs 20,000; endorsed by the foreign mission (I forget which country's Indian mission had a link to it) If they were successful, then the Indian mission would take their findings as sufficient to grant one. I do not have to energy to hunt the link or thread down. I do remember posting it here (or maybe it was elsewhere ;) )

Do a search here.


I saw this, or something like it, on the London High Commission site. This was quite a few years ago; no idea if it is still there, but (apart from google) it might be a good starting place
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#7
| Maha Guru Member
The other option is to explore getting a "Nativity Certificate"

The burden of proof seems much lower:
Home › Nativity Certificate

Government of India has conveyed that OCI applicants facing difficulties in producing documentary evidence in support of their Indian origin status can also seek and obtain “Nativity Certificate” from their respective state Governments in India. This is likely to help many OCI applicants in future. If the nativity certificates can contain details of parents and grand parents and relate these to applicants, where feasible, some supporting documents may not be necessary. Relevant details are given below:

“Difficulties experienced by PIOs in adducing documents in primary evidence of their being of Indian origin have often been brought to our notice. In consultation with the Ministry of Home Affairs it has been decided that the “Nativity Certificate” issued by State Government in India by a authority not below a District Collector/ District Magistrate about an applicant being PIO eligible for registration as OCI may be accepted as sufficient proof.
Accordingly State Governments have been advised to instruct the concerned district authorities in their respective states about the issue of “Nativity Certificate” to OCI applicants, after establishing their Indian nativity at village / Tehsil / District as also at urban level. A copy of sample “Nativity Certificate” is enclosed. Such “Nativity Certificate” may be accepted by the Missions/Posts as a primary evidence for processing the issue of OCI card.”

Link: Application for Nativity Certificate (https://www.hcilondon.in/pdf/nativity_certificate.pdf)

#8
| Member
Hi All - just an update I did get PIO card!!!!! I thought I would share that it is the INDIA based Documents that matter ie schools, church records etc. The other docs such as US College records and Naturalization Certificate really are secondary and dont count alone but helpful to weigh in. To get PIO with no BC or Indian passport you must substantiate how person you are claiming thru was an Indian Citizen. The more documents you have the stronger your case is. A stressful experience indeed and thank goodness over and done!
#9
| Maha Guru Member
Thanks for the feedback. Congrats!

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