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#556 Jul 25th, 2015, 14:14
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Originally Posted by Govindpuri View Post OCI website will get updated by 31 July 15.
I see that this is what the PDF document you posted says. However, this being India, it will probably be November.
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Originally Posted by RPG View Post I see that this is what the PDF document you posted says. However, this being India, it will probably be November.
Regardless of all this conflicting information, if you have the opportunity, then there is absolutely nothing to lose by submitting an application. The only time that you are without a passport and PIO card is for a couple of days, and this is when you have already been approved for OCI status and are in receipt of an OCI number. You are without documents for only the time it takes to stamp the passport, cancel the PIO card and send it back with OCI booklet which has already been produced anyway.
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Originally Posted by bellcrank View Post Regardless of all this conflicting information, if you have the opportunity, then there is absolutely nothing to lose by submitting an application. The only time that you are without a passport and PIO card is for a couple of days, and this is when you have already been approved for OCI status and are in receipt of an OCI number. You are without documents for only the time it takes to stamp the passport, cancel the PIO card and send it back with OCI booklet which has already been produced anyway.
That may be your experience in the UK, but it is not mine:

http://www.indiamike.com/india/for-c...kings-t237129/

I sent a number of e-mails to various GoI officials describing our experience, and I like to think that this may have helped just slightly in causing them to formulate the new 2-doc-web-app rules (assuming these rules are actually implemented).
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Originally Posted by RPG View Post That may be your experience in the UK, but it is not mine:

http://www.indiamike.com/india/for-c...kings-t237129/

I sent a number of e-mails to various GoI officials describing our experience, and I like to think that this may have helped just slightly in causing them to formulate the new 2-doc-web-app rules (assuming these rules are actually implemented).
I hadn't read about your experience with Cox and Kings... how frustrating. You're right, my experience is in the UK, specifically in London, but I stand by my comments as another member of my immediate family has just completed the process within the same time scale. It is time-consuming in that 2 visits to the Visa Centre are required, but aside from that it is hassle-free and you are free to travel during the time it takes to process the application and afterwards if neccessary.

Given the current uncertainty of whether PIO cards will remain valid indefinitely or not, I can see no reason not to submit an application if it is geographically possible. Given your experience RPG, it is obviously unadvisable to hand over any documents at the start of application process. In the case of doing this in UK, this is not an issue.
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Just came back from India. Again, no problems at the immigration with the PIO card. But the man advised me to transfer my PIO to OCI soon. I showed him the lifelong validity stamp on my PIO card, stamped by one of his colleagues only 3 weeks ago, and he said that's what they have been doing as per instructions. He would not be drawn into a debate when I asked him what lifelong meant! I asked him if they would stop me if I came back with my PIO card next year and he gave me no direct answer. All he said was it was best to transfer to OCI soon.
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Originally Posted by RPG View Post I see that this is what the PDF document you posted says. However, this being India, it will probably be November.
I may have to eat my words. The OCI web page has changed right on schedule (31 July), and there is now a new link for "OCI document upload". This suggests a switch to all-electronic submission. Previously one had to print out the application form after filling it out, and submit the forms and documents on paper.

Current page

compare 28 April 2015 version from Wayback Machine

It is still confusing, for example the PIO-to-OCI form link still says "Completed application is to be submitted to the appropriate office" But you don't expect a GoI web page to be intelligently updated. The form link does seem to lead to a new and shorter form. Maybe they have switched to an all-electronic, minimal-documentation, no-outsourcing application for PIO-to-OCI.

Maybe I will be a guinea pig to test this out.
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Try it out RPG and let us know how you go.
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Originally Posted by RPG View Post I may have to eat my words. The OCI web page has changed right on schedule (31 July), and there is now a new link for "OCI document upload". This suggests a switch to all-electronic submission. ......
but re-introduces this requirement:

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3. Place of submission for OCI-Applications (In Lieu of PIO-Card) should be the same as the Place of Issuance of PIO-Card.
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Originally Posted by bellcrank View Post Regardless of all this conflicting information, if you have the opportunity, then there is absolutely nothing to lose by submitting an application. The only time that you are without a passport and PIO card is for a couple of days, and this is when you have already been approved for OCI status and are in receipt of an OCI number. You are without documents for only the time it takes to stamp the passport, cancel the PIO card and send it back with OCI booklet which has already been produced anyway.
it takes 7-8 weeks to get a new booklet, a friend just did it she converted her PIO TO OCI
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called the Embassy. the change should be done at the earliest but you can still travel with your PIO to India. The deadline for change is 30.09.2015. The guy I spoke to was confused himself as I said we travel in October so if the OCI is not received by us till that date then what ? He said then we return your PIO and you travel on that to India and wait for OCI for later travels. Lol.
So this means no problems to travel anytime just change it to OCI ASAP.
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Only the filling of the form can be done online (NOTHING ELSE) and it should be then printed. It has to be submitted signed with 3 photos, marriage certificate if any, original PIO, PRESENT PASSPORT. iF THE CASE IS THAT PIO IS ACQUIRED THRU MARRIAGE THEN the husbands/wifes OCI copy needs to attached. A letter needs to be attached by the spouse that the marriage is intact.

SO easier if not married.

I THINK ITS REALLY REALLY STUPID to make this change, if you divorce your spouse who was not an Indian by past relationships then he or she can have the OCI for life or will they again bring a new scheme for renewal.

To get more popular Mr Modi did not think before opening his mouth.
This change was not required at all.
The e-visa is another useless thing. VOA was better for the nationalities it was given too.
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Applicants who are converting PIO to OCI:

if you have Indian origins: application form, valid PIO-card with copies, valid Finnish passport with copies, three colour photos (see photo requirements above), and a copy of Surrender Certificate
if your spouse has Indian origins: application form, valid PIO-card with copies, valid Finnish passport with copies, three colour photos (see photo requirements above); along with a copy of your marriage certificate with apostille (please note that unlike the PIO, OCI is only granted after two years of marriage) AND proof of joint address/supporting letter from your spouse
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Originally Posted by amitk View Post The deadline for change is 30.09.2015. ASAP.
Not correct, see post #550 in this thread (download PDF).

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Originally Posted by amitk View Post Only the filling of the form can be done online (NOTHING ELSE) and it should be then printed. It has to be submitted signed with 3 photos, marriage certificate if any, original PIO, PRESENT PASSPORT...
Not correct, see above.

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Originally Posted by amitk View Post Applicants who are converting PIO to OCI:

if you have Indian origins: application form, valid PIO-card with copies, valid Finnish passport with copies, three colour photos (see photo requirements above), and a copy of Surrender Certificate
if your spouse has Indian origins: application form, valid PIO-card with copies, valid Finnish passport with copies, three colour photos (see photo requirements above); along with a copy of your marriage certificate with apostille (please note that unlike the PIO, OCI is only granted after two years of marriage) AND proof of joint address/supporting letter from your spouse
Not correct, see above.
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Originally Posted by Govindpuri View Post Try it out RPG and let us know how you go.
We did it, but it was very confusing.

After filling out the two forms online, the web page says that registration is complete. On the other hand, there is still an option to print out the form (i.e. download PDF) after filling it out, and the form still says 'submit to the relevant office' (or some such wording).

On the other other hand, the instructions in the printable form have been updated to say that ONLY a copy of the passport and a copy of the PIO card are needed for PIO-to-OCI; nothing else. We easily uploaded these copies as PDF files (only PDF files are acceptable).

One hassle was that a photo needs to be uploaded. The photo must be square (exactly same number of pixels horiz & vert), only JPG and no more than 30KB. This is not trivial to do at short notice, but they don't tell you these requirements in advance, only when you have reached that point in the web form. I was able to hit the size limit only by converting the photo to grayscale, in addition to cropping to a square and reducing the resolution.

So now my spouse has 'successfully registered', but there is still that contradictory information about the form submission. However, we will assume the controlling authority is the memo from Murthy, linked in post#550 above, which says submission is now all-electronic, with the Indian consulate becoming involved only at the time of surrendering the PIO card and collecting the OCI card.

We'll find out if this works, but there is no rush. At least we didn't hand over the original PIO card or pay the outsourcing fee this time. If it doesn't work, my spouse can continue to use the PIO card and we can apply again once the process has been figured out.
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Originally Posted by Govindpuri View Post Latest for PIO holders. Do not believe in rumors and conflicting information posted on Indian Consulate/Embassy websites.

The date for conversion has now been extended to 31 March 2016.

More here.: http://mha1.nic.in/pdfs/Materialtobe...gOCI080615.pdf
Since clearly people are not reading the PDf file in the above link, I have copied and pasted some of the text below. (The first 2 pages of the PDF file are text, the 3rd and 4th pages are scanned, so I am only posting the first 2 pages here, even though there is some additional information in the original Murthy memo on pg. 3-4 of the PDF file.)

I have bolded some text---this is added by me and is not in the original.

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REGISTRATION AS OCI CARDHOLDER IN LIEU OF PIO CARD
1. The issues relating to submission of applications by erstwhile PIO Cardholders with valid PIO cards as on 9.1.2015 for registration as OCI Cardholders have been re-examined by the Central Government and revised instructions have been issued to all concerned on 16.7.2015. Copy of the instructions issued on 16.7.2015 is annexed.

2. As on date, all Person of Indian Origin (PIO) cardholders are deemed to be Overseas Citizen of India (OCI) cardholders in terms of the notification issued by the Ministry of Home Affairs on 9.1.2015.

3. However, all persons having valid PIO cards as on 9th January, 2015 are advised to apply for registration as OCI cardholder in view of the following advantages in possessing an OCI card:-

(a) OCI card is a smart card
(b) Possession of an OCI card will facilitate quicker immigration clearance at the Immigration Check Posts
(c) It will help in obtaining various Consular Services from the Indian Missions
(d) For those who are resident in India, it will facilitate in availing various services in India.

3. The date for submission of applications for registration as OCI cardholder in lieu of the PIO card online has been extended till 31st March, 2016. This cutoff date will be only for submission of the applications online by the applicants. A separate online application form for submission of application for registration as OCI cardholder in lieu of PIO card is available in the website https://passport.gov.in/oci/

4. The erstwhile PIO cardholder with a valid PIO card as on 9.1.2015 will have to upload only the following documents with his/ her application:-
(a) Copy of the valid Passport
(b) Copy of the PIO card

5. The applicants can submit the applications online from anywhere. The grant of OCI card in lieu of the PIO card will be on a gratis basis.

6. The OCI card shall be issued by the Indian Mission/ Post/ FRRO concerned within the jurisdiction of the applicant’s place of residence. The applicant will have to approach the Indian Mission/ Post/ FRRO concerned only for collecting the OCI Card by surrendering the PIO card.

7. In the meantime, all the Immigration Check Posts and the Airlines (through the Civil Aviation/ DGCA) have been informed that the erstwhile PIO cardholders are allowed to travel either on the PIO card or on the OCI card and that they should honor both.
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