Lost passport, tourist visa, not registered with FRRO, no c-from, time running out.

#1 Aug 8th, 2018, 15:51
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Hi,

I lost my passport with an 180 day Tourist Visa valid until the 26th of August. I have (not the best) photocopies of both.
The new passport will arrive at the latest on the 20th of August.

Which gives me 5 days to deal with the FRRO (Delhi) to get an Exit Visa. Online application, I think I will probably get called to the office as I never registered within 14 days of arrival. - (I take it getting stamped at the Wagah border does not count as registration..)

(1) - $30 fine I believe, OK. And what else can I expect?


(2) I don't have a C-Form either, and I've no idea how to get one without a passport. Even when I get the passport there will still be no visa in it.

I'm staying somewhere, right? Yeah, at a friend's place. He would have to register himself/building first, and that makes my problem his. It's not an option.


(3) - Any chance of flying to Nepal on the Exit Visa and being given a new visa by the Indian Embassy there, or is that a waste of time?
Showing a flight reservation to my country of residence would help me exit, but it doesn't make any difference once in Nepal..


(4) - Can I make it all happen in time before the visa moves into Overstay?


(5) - What are things I can do while waiting for the new passport?


(6) - I don't know if there is anything else I need, I have the other things that are mentioned on the FRRO website, though possibly not the "other documents which may be required by the FRRO."


Thanks!
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I take it getting stamped at the Wagah border does not count as registration..
No, it does not, any more than entering at any port does. Entry and registration are indeed different.

Does your entry point imply that you are a citizen of Pakistan? If no, your questions are fairly easy to answer. If yes, then they are completely outside my area of experience.

FRRO understand lost passports and all that stuff, and you are going to get your new passport before your visa expires: all of that really should not be a problem at all, But I have no idea how they deal with Pakistani citizens that fail to register, which, according to the form that I filled in when arriving in India (my home) yesterday, should be done within 24 hours.

So... you need to tell the vital missing part of the puzzle before anyone can advise you. Your nationality.
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Thanks for the quick reply!

I'm Dutch, not Pakistani.
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I'm Dutch, not Pakistani.
Then I don't think you have a serious problem. FRRO should sort you out with a permission-to-remain/exit-visa stamp, probably until same date as your original visa expiry.

I don't know...

--- if your host will get into trouble for not notifying/registering that you were staying there

--- if you have to use the web portal to make an appointment, or if you just walk in. But, just walking in, and speaking to reception will answer that one.

Others may (hopefully) give fuller information. Do let us know how you get on.
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Thanks for your time, Nick, much appreciated. Aside from obtaining a C-Form, it seems it shouldn’t be too big of a deal. - And I just realized by looking at the visa that I did not need to register within 14 days of arrival. Huge relief.

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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post --- if your host will get into trouble for not notifying/registering that you were staying there
It's a possibility, I don't really want to risk it. I'll just have to come up with some story.

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--- if you have to use the web portal to make an appointment, or if you just walk in. But, just walking in, and speaking to reception will answer that one.
I called a few days ago and was told to use the portal by someone who sounded like he really did not want to see me in the office.


I would appreciate some advice regarding getting a new visa in Nepal, if anyone knows.
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You do not need to do online registration for Emergency Services

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What to do in emergency/exigency?

The foreigner can approach the concerned Civil Authority i.e. FRRO/FRO office directly in case of exigency/emergency. Upon satisfaction of the case, the services can also be granted directly at the FRRO/FRO level. Make sure that services granted are electronic and not manual. You may face hurdles at the Immigration Check Posts in case of manual services.
This is the first I am hearing of a tourist/visitor needing a C-form Where did you get this information from ?


Depending on what kind of passport you get from Kingdom of Netherland, you may or maynot be able to go anyplace other than home. Some countries issue temporary passport to facilitate journey back, some dont.

If it is the former, then you will have issues getting a visa.
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I'm pretty sure there are some old posts here from travellers who've had troubles of various sorts and had to fetch copies of their Form Cs.

Maybe different now that they're online. Last time I exited India the immigration officer mentioned the hotel I stayed at, so they are readily accessible. Frankly, if the OP has been in India six months and there's no Form C for the period, I think he'll have questions to answer.
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Originally Posted by nycank View Post This is the first I am hearing of a tourist/visitor needing a C-form Where did you get this information from ?
From the same website.

I don’t find any definition of mergency/exigency. But,
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2. Who needs to apply for e-FRRO?

All foreigners who desire Visa and Immigration related services in India viz. Registration, Visa Extension, Visa Conversion, Exit Permit etc need to apply for e-FRRO.

Under "important instructions", same website:

1. e-FRRO is presently applicable for foreigners in the jurisdiction of 12 FRROs and 1 RRO: Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, Bengaluru, Kolkata, Amritsar, Lucknow, Hyderabad, Ahemdabad, Cochin, Thiruvananthapuram, Kozhikode and Puducherry.

2. e-FRRO is mandatory for availing services at the above FRROs.
Services would be granted at FRRO/FRO office only in case of exigency/emergency.

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Depending on what kind of passport you get from Kingdom of Netherland, you may or maynot be able to go anyplace other than home. Some countries issue temporary passport to facilitate journey back, some dont.
Yeah, for that reason I got a regular passport instead of emergency papers.
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Originally Posted by zif View Post Frankly, if the OP has been in India six months and there's no Form C for the period, I think he'll have questions to answer.
I thought they would only be concerned with the recent one. There will be a few in there for that period, but certainly not a lot. There are no laws against camping as far as I'm aware..?
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Nycank, I messed up the quote. I was replying to your first comment. - I can't find where to edit posts.
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Originally Posted by nycank View Post This is the first I am hearing of a tourist/visitor needing a C-form Where did you get this information from ?
Yes, according to our local Foreign Registration officer here, the host of any foreigner has to register them on the online C-form. I went in connection with helping some villagers host visiting students in homes to experience village life and try to help out a bit. The officer said yes, indeedy, the hosts would have to register the tourists. Which was not possible or even plausible under the circumstances, but anyway, them's the rules.
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Originally Posted by NonIndianResident View Post Yes, according to our local Foreign Registration officer here, the host of any foreigner has to register them on the online C-form. I went in connection with helping some villagers host visiting students in homes to experience village life and try to help out a bit. The officer said yes, indeedy, the hosts would have to register the tourists. Which was not possible or even plausible under the circumstances, but anyway, them's the rules.
But, my doubts pertain to a tourist having to have a copy of a C-form. Till few years ago, the C-Form was not online, and daily, one hotel photocopied their register and sent it to the local police station.
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Originally Posted by nycank View Post But, my doubts pertain to a tourist having to have a copy of a C-form. Till few years ago, the C-Form was not online, and daily, one hotel photocopied their register and sent it to the local police station.
Online C-Form, it is an online application at the FRRO as well. It will ask for the address of where I am staying, which implies a c-form, no?
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And, what I still don't understand is how one would ever be able to get a C-Form/room in case of a lost/stolen passport..
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Right, the guest doesn't normally ever see the C Form, but if it has been filed as required, then when you report your passport lost, the powers that be can look up one or more of your C Forms and at least find all your document numbers and dates for you.

20 years ago a friend of mine suffered a stolen bag in the very last days of her trip in india, and the FRRO Delhi had on file, and found efficiently, her info from various hotel registers. She just told them her dates of stay in certain hotels and they found her info, and this helped them to give her an exit visa promptly.

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