Forced to overstay tourist visa due to injuries from traffic accident

#1 Dec 25th, 2017, 18:55
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I had a traffic accident 4 days before I was due to fly out of India. Broke my arm, leg and foot. My 1 yr tourist visa expired 28th Nov but I didnt even get out of the hospital till 12th Dec. I ha multiple surgeries

I went to local FRRO on 22nd December, a day after I went back to hospital to get stitches removed. I delayed because of immobility and because I was waiting for a letter by the doctor saying how much time I would need before I was able to leave the country on my own steam (i.e. walking independently) without risk of reinjuring myself. They gave me a letter saying i needed 6 weeks till I could "walk independently" .... thats all the note said, apart from having my name, doctors signature and official stamp.

So I took all my docs including hospital discharge papers (a summary of your injuries and the treatments they gave you) to the FRRO on 22nd Dec. They told me to submit everything online, to apply via the FRRO for an Exit Permit, and that it would be given according to when the doctors said I would be recovered (I dont know what to expect because technically I could leave the country at any time, even being unable to walk, if I had medical support ... so I am not sure exactly what kind of statement the FRRO want from the medical experts).

6 weeks from the date of the doctors note would be Feb 1st, so this is the date I have requested for the Exit Permit in the online application. Of course I also uploaded my passport cover page, visa page, entry and exit stamps and a photo and hotel receipt.

I think what the Exit Permit is a note in your passport that just says you be allowed to leave the country on or before a certain date no questions asked, even if your visa is clearly well expired. But there isnt much explantion about this and there was nothing from the guy at the FRRO.

What happens if I am not sufficiently recovered by February 1st?

I have today uploaded everything they asked for and submitted (requested) a date for the Exit Permit (based on the doctors letter) but can I delay submitting the outbound air ticket? (I am not sure at this stage where I want to go, certainly not to my home country UK, and they may not even grant me the full time that I have requested so the airfare could be lost). ... then again it occurs to me that an airline ticket on the day I have requested for the Exit Permit might swing it so that they do give me the full time.

It seems logical that the Entry Permit date will be the last date I can leave the country and that I would be allowed to leave earlier once the Exit Permit is printed in my passport, should my plans turn out that way?

I would be grateful for any insight or corrections you have about these Exit Permits or overstaying visas due to injury or illness.
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From my experience, exit permits are usually worded thus

Person X is allowed to leave India on or before dd/mm/yyyy via yyyy airport.
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Don't know about exit permits im afraid but I wouldn't buy a ticket until you have a date from them. I broke my ankle two monthsh ago in India and tried to change my ticket. They wanted £430 just to change the date,so I just had to let it go and buy another ticket which thankfully the insurance paid for. I have had to change myticket a couple of times in the last five years and it has always cost .Good luck!.
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They gave me a letter saying i needed 6 weeks till I could "walk independently" ....
Most broken bones heal in 6 weeks, but not leg and foot (in your case) which are weight bearing ones. Healing depends on your weight, how much protein rich diet you’re consuming etc. etc.,

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so I am not sure exactly what kind of statement the FRRO want from the medical experts
You should have asked the doctor for more time to heal. Like 6 weeks to 12weeks for complete healing. Better yet ask for 4months time, since you’ve fractures in arm, leg and foot.

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What happens if I am not sufficiently recovered by February 1st?
There is a good chance it would happen. Ask for more time and leave whenever you feel confident. Since you broke your arm, using crutches would be a challenge too.

I don’t know answers to other specific questions you’ve asked. Wait for some expert to answer them.

Very sorry to hear about your unfortunate accident Macleod-ly Gang-ingsly.
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Forced to overstay tourist visa due to injuries from traffic accident

As John says, an exit permit covers you for the period up to the stated date. They might even word it "... is permitted to remain until..." same thing, different angle.

If you are not sufficiently recovered by the stated date, go back to FRRO with another doctor's letter.

If they have no reason to doubt that you are genuine, I think they will oblige. Ultimately, though, they may ask you how you managed to walk across the room!

All this is "IMHO" only. No direct experience, other than knowing quite well what the inside of an FRRO looks like.
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Do you have travel insurance ? What does it cover ?
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Questions your responses brought up

Thanks for contributions, comisserations and help
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Originally Posted by nycank View Post Do you have travel insurance ? What does it cover ?
None, nothing covered

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Originally Posted by RWeHavingFunYet View Post Most broken bones heal in 6 weeks, but not leg and foot (in your case) which are weight bearing ones. Healing depends on your weight, how much protein rich diet you’re consuming etc. etc., You should have asked the doctor for more time to heal. Like 6 weeks to 12weeks for complete healing. Better yet ask for 4months time, since you’ve fractures in arm, leg and foot.
For the record the injury on the leg was a "split in the tibia in the sagital direction at the tibial plafond" .. there is a titanium plate there now so that the tibia cannot dislocate again. There is a broken bone in the foot but they are leaving this to heal itself. The arm fracture is a chip in the humerus that was also fixed with a titanium plate. I think this lower leg plate might make me able to walk earlier than if the bones were left to knit without them.

The leg foot surgery was on December 7th. I got the letter 2 weeks later on 21st Nov when I went back to have stitches removed ... the letter says.......
"TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN - N*** P******, S/O G***** P******, R/O London England was admitted into the MOW on Novemember 17th 2017 following multiple fractures as a result of a traffic accident.
He underwent a series of surgeries here at T**** Hospital that are now complete. He was discharged from T**** hospital on 12th Dec 2017. In my professional opionion it will take at least 6 weeks before he can walk independently"


This letter is dated 21st December 2017 and 6 weeks from that date is February 1st 2107. (the letter fails to say when the 6 weeks begin so I imagine the FRRO will accept the date of the letter as the start of the 6 week period). I also uploaded my "Discharge papers", what every patient gets the day they leave, summarising their injuries and the treatement they received.

It was very hard to get even this statement from the doctor. He pointed out that I could actually leave India immediately if I wanted to, but obviously not without medical support. So will the fact that I can "walk independently" on a certain date be significant to FRRO in setting an Exit Permit date? What exactly could a note from the doctor say, "he needs 12 weeks before his leg and foot fractures are fully healed?" I just dont know what it should say and what the doctors would be willing to sign.

I have to submit a whole slew of documents, all are uploaded now except the flight ticket. Only when all the documents are submitted do you proceed to the "make an appointment page" Before I can submit the finished application, a flight ticket must be uploaded. So if I ask for February 1st departure then I will need to have a ticket booked for that date, and upload it, or else my request for an Exit Permit will be incomplete and presumably will not be considered. Or is there some leeway, some time allowed between requesting an Exit Permit and actually showing the air ticket? How late can I actually buy the ticket?

And more importatntly, how long do I have to fill out this online form and proceed to the "make an appointment" page? How long can I stall? (bearing in mind that *visa expired 28th Nov *released from hospital 12th dec *got letter from doctor signed on 21st Dec *went to FRRO on 22nd Dec (was told to go home and apply online) *and filled out online application + uploaded documents, between December 24th and December 26th but still haven't uploaded an airline ticket and still haven't pressed the "make an appointment button though my application as it stands is asking for a February 1st Exit date

What would happen if I make a declaration that I will leave overland to Nepal and that way sidestep the need to give a flight ticket? And then later, when I am actually sure that I am capable of leaving on the Exit Permit date, would it be OK to buy an air ticket and leave by air, and not overland to Nepal?

And of course should the departure date approach and I am not strong enough to walk independently, I will need doctors to give me a revised departure date. That would render the air ticket lost of course.
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The sooner you get good physiotherapy, the sooner you will be mobile. I think six weeks is a minimum for bone healing, medically speaking, but from my own experience (broken ankle and fibula on right leg and broken 5th metatarsal on left foot) having multiple fractures requires at least 6 months work before you are independently mobile again. I wish you a lot of courage and speedy healing,
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Originally Posted by MacleodlyGangings View Post T Or is there some leeway, some time allowed between requesting an Exit Permit and actually showing the air ticket? How late can I actually buy the ticket?

You can always buy a one-way ticket, fully refundable ticket and then after you can an online confirmation, cancel it. Buy the ticket now ! I do not have first hand information what the FRRO writes on your passport; but if they do annotate the port of exit, then that is what you will have to use.

If you say you will go overland, they might write that in your exit stamp - They you are bound by that annotation. One-way ticket from KTM is not exactly cheap.
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ticket bought

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Originally Posted by nycank View Post You can always buy a one-way ticket, fully refundable ticket and then after you can an online confirmation, cancel it. Buy the ticket now !
There was no clear way through this so I got the ticket and decided to deal with complications as they arise. Giving myself more time than the doctors letter. Ticket can be cancelled later or rescheduled so no need to cancel now. I really do want to leave on that date, Feb 8th.
I uploaded everything so now waiting to go to local FRRO for actual Exit Permit itself.
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Either I'll be in London or an Indian prison!

I'll post the outome later.
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Exit Permit granted but botched!

UPDATE
I applied oline for the Exit Permit and had an appointment at the local FRRO ... I took the copy of my flight out of India on Feb 8th. The only mistake I made was in just bringing a receipt from my hotel instead of the C-form (a form all hotels have apparently).

Well after a long day at the FRRO they finally issued my Exit Permit but GOT THE DATE WRONG!! They gave it for January 9th instead of Feb 8th. I had it in my hand before I realized the mistake. The officer blamed me for his mistake at first "why did you apply so early" etc but in fact my official application online and my ticket both said Feb 8th. They cancelled the Exit Permit but promised to issue me a new one on Feb 2nd, just 6 days before I fly out.

At least I know I can get it now, because I did!! I won't have to produce any more documentation, but will need to update them with any new medical information from the hospital when I go back for a checkup.

I think there was no need for me to have bought the ticket so soon, or have made the online application so soon, it seems you should only apply online about 10 days before you fly out and only schedule your appointment at the local FRRO within a week of flying out.

And they never asked me to explain why I had chosen Feb 8th to fly out on, so I am not sure how siginificant the letter from the doctor was, I mean the letter issued on December 7th saying "In my professional opionion it will take at least 6 weeks before he can walk independently".

I don't know actually why the doctor would have actually written that since it is now 6 weeks since the surgery and I have not even started to put weight on the fractured leg! (and this under the advice of the same doctor who wrote the letter?!)

I would say that what is most important in the end is to prove that you actually were injured, that you were in hospital and had treatment (for which the Discharge Papers are crucial) and to have the airline ticket booked. Perhaps it is also crucial to show you are attending Out Patients at the hospital too. But I cannot be sure because local FRRO did not share their decsion making process with me.

I really can't know for sure, neither the doctors nor the local FRRO have been straightforward, consistent or even helpful! Inflexible and irresponsible would better describe their treatment of me. I will be so relieved to get out of this country and escape their authority.
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You did public service to all future IMers who might be in a pickle. Thanks for a detailed update.
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I will upload a copy of the Exit Permit later

I am sticking to my Feb 8th leaving date, I will pick up the Exit Permit on Feb 2nd and post a scanned copy here, with other details to help.
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That would be great!

Wish you all the best!!
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Scans of an actual Exit Permit and medical update

I got this on 3rd February 2018, I am flying out of the country on February 8th
Here are scans of the page they added
1.To my passport and
2.The letter they gave me to carry

The one on the right is the scan of the letter, this is the version I uploaded to Indiamike (the image was automatically downsized and is not really readable)

The readable higher resolution scan of the letter they gave me is here on google drive

You will see that
1. I have to leave on or before Feb 9th (this FRRO is in the habit of giving you up till a day after your flight out).
2. They have specified the city I am to leave from.

If you find yourself sick or injured and in the course of recovering your visa expires then please read the posts I have made in this thread. No single post gives all the information.

MEDICAL NOTES
I broke my fibula, I broke some of the toe bones, and the tibia (break in the sagital direction at the tibial plafond). The tibia was dislocated. All on the left leg. The surgery to put a titanium plate on the fibula and screws to secure the tibia was on December 1st 2017. I started walking tentatively under the suprevision of a physiotherapist about 6 weeks after the surgery, after an xray confirmed the bone had healed enough. I started on a zimmer frame. This was 10 days ahead of the schedule that the doctors at the hospital had projected.

I am now, at February 4th, walking on 2 elbow crutches.The leg and foot are strong and there is no pain but still a lot of tightness and immobility at the base of the leg around the ankle. There is however some soreness after walking, but not intense and mostly relieved by massage.

I have contacted the airlines to have wheelchairs on hand at the various airports I will be passing through (I want to minimize walking because it tends to increase the swelling and the discomfort). I do not know when the inflammation will subside and I can walk freely.
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