Why most countries state that issuance of visa doesn't guarantee entry into country

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#1 Feb 11th, 2014, 18:10
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i read many countries stating on their website that issuance of visa doesn't guarantee entry inside the country, it depends upon the officer at the POE

what does it mean? why do they issue visa if the entry is not guarantee inside?
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Originally Posted by tesco View Post i read many countries stating on their website that issuance of visa doesn't guarantee entry inside the country, it depends upon the officer at the POE

what does it mean? why do they issue visa if the entry is not guarantee inside?
If the official at the point of entry has reason to believe that the purpose of your visit isn't what is stipulated on your visa he/she has the right to refuse you entry. In most cases one has the right to appeal this decision. Often this right of appeal is not extended to persons who are normally permitted to enter the country without a visa or those who receive a visa on arrival.

Here is a quote from a US government site:
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Are there disadvantages to using the Visa Waiver Program?

Before using the Visa Waiver Program, be aware of the following conditions that apply and carefully consider your options:

If you are admitted to the United States under the Visa Waiver Program, you may not change or extend your non-immigrant status.
If your admission is denied, you have no right to appeal a determination as to admissibility.
If you are found to have violated the terms of your admission, you also have no right to review or appeal, other than on the basis of an application for asylum, any removal action arising from an application for admission under the Visa Waiver Program.
In the days when holders of Indian passports did not require a visa to enter the UK (pre October 1986) they could still obtain an Entry Certificate (issued free of charge) from a UK mission abroad. This usually meant a shorter interview at the point of entry into the UK and (I always read the fine print) a right of appeal if refused entry.

Apparently this provision still exists: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/vi.../general-info/

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An entry certificate is for people we call 'non-visa nationals'. They are nationals of any other country outside the European Economic Area (EEA) and Switzerland
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/vi...isa-nationals/
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can i get tourist visa for singapore or dubai

I was denied Visa On Arrival in hongkong , i was invited by friend to visit there, i had given his address, contact number and my return ticket i was denied anyways there were many other indians who were denied entry in HONGKONG then, also many filipinos and many srilankans

i want to travel to singapore or dubai on tourist visa with a tour group operated by tour agencies, so can i get tourist visa? can someone whos denied VISA ON ARRIVAL in countries which need VISA ON ARRIVAL FOR INDIANS, travel to other countries? Technically i can go back to hongkong again but i don't wana try that after what happened 1st time
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I was denied visa on arrival in hongkong 1st time, so i want to travel to a country which require visa in advance, but again i read visa doesn't gurantee entry inside? what can i do?
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Sorry to hear about your experience in Hong Kong. Sorry if I sound cynical but
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In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.
(Attributed to Benjamin Franklin)
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So could i apply for tourist visa for singapore or dubai? and if granted can i get in without too much troubles?
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After I read this book I became quite fatalistic about what to expect from immigration officials. So best of luck!

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could you tell me, whether one who has been previously denied visa on arrival in country where VISA ON ARRIVAL IS REQUIRED , can he travel to other country by obtaining visa?
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Originally Posted by tesco View Post could you tell me, whether one who has been previously denied visa on arrival in country where VISA ON ARRIVAL IS REQUIRED , can he travel to other country by obtaining visa?
See #5 above.

By the way, this forum deals with travel IN India or TO India. You are asking questions in the wrong place.
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You mean to say most Indians pay taxes
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Originally Posted by tesco View Post it depends upon the officer at the POE

what does it mean? why do they issue visa if the entry is not guarantee inside?
The only people allowed entry into the country for definite, are it's citizens. Rest are at the discretion of the Immigrations Officer (technically)


People who give visas are normally not same department/ministry as those that allow you entry. Visa issuance is normally outsourced to State Department/Foreign Ministry, who manage and run the foreign Mission/Embassy/High Commission. But, the entry into the country is under the purview and responsibility of Immigrations/Homeland Security/Home Ministry/Interior Department etc. etc.



In a sliding scale of most discretion; to least discretion - By Law; most is to a DHS/Immigrations Officer in the US; and by apathy Indian (the least).
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Originally Posted by nycank View Post You mean to say most Indians pay taxes
Yes, but not necessarily to the state.
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Originally Posted by Golghar View Post Yes, but not necessarily to the state.
It is called 'Hafta'
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i don't want to go to usa but singapore, dubai and mauritius in tour group with tourist visa
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Originally Posted by tesco View Post i don't want to go to usa but singapore, dubai and mauritius in tour group with tourist visa
Then let the tour company deal with the visa. Unless they say otherwise, the visa procurement would be one of the services they provide for the group.
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