Passport impounded - a horror story happening

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It is important to remember that every woman must have a guardian---an unmarried woman (commonly known in India as a "girl" even if retirement age) is a ward of her father, while a married woman is a ward of her husband. So the obvious solution is for the OP to marry his girlfriend.
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In absence of proof, and in absence of your GF living independently (She lives with her parents ?) the only way, a stop or hold on the passport can occur by the agency, or department that put a hold in the first place.

Other than that, CYA. A gurl need not be a minor, for a border-control entity to determined she's been trafficked. Your word to their word.

RPG has it right, Marry her and then challenge the hold, or sue the father for harrassment. Any which way, its gonna cost you !
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Passport impounded - a horror story happening

I'm not at all sure that RPG is legally right: I don't think that India is so medieval as to regard a woman as needing, at any adult age, a "guardian." Culturally, though, there's some truth in it.

Where, in the story as we have it, is the basis for any agency to suspect that, among the many, many, young female adults traveling abroad, is the reason to suspect this one? And if they did, surely interviews and investigators would take place, not obfuscation.

She is not even traveling on the basis of a relationship: she has a job offer and related visa in hand, right? And I'm supposing that it is not fruit picking.

Doubtless there is more going on here than meets anybody's eye, including that of our hero. But I think that kmalik has stated the legal principal. Whether it works out in practice or not.

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RPG would be correct, were it the Indian Republic of Saudi Arabia. In the Indian law as it stands, the guardianship ends at 18 years of age.

PS: Also think that the “marry her” advice is a harks back to the same same chattel concept of personhood for the woman. The OP and his girlfriend marry if and when they would like to - and not when railroaded by the family or the self-appointed internet advisors.
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Passport impounded - a horror story happening

Totally with you.

And, one supposes in ignorance, this young woman may well be planning to go to UK for work, regardless of relationship status.

This trafficking thing needs kicking back to the field, or whatever nycank would say if the ball was in the other carpark.
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We have of course though and discussed of getting married, yet we first wanted to start our life together that is why I have helped her found a job. In other words we wanted her to be financially independent and show her family that we are doing this the right way instead of just getting married and figure out the rest later. I realise this might have been a mistake, both from Indian cultural point of view(being married before living together) and from a practical point of view(she could argue that she has the right to join her husband if nothing else). As it stands now, she cannot even marry a foreigner under marriage act without her passport.

Again: She has a job(she has her contract in hand) on the basis of which she got a work and residence permit, noone can question that. Heck we even got EU embassy to confirm the whole thing. The problem is clearly not in any official thinking that might be the case as there would be questioning where all she would have to do is confirm the story. The problem is her father, who thinks he has the ultimate right to decide the way she should live her life. I even think that her previous passport didnt get lost but that her father took it. When she got a new passport(clearly by accident, when someone at the RPO "cleared her by accident") he clearly tried anything to stop her by talking and treathening her first. When that didnt work he with the help of his contacts(or by paying someone off) manage to suspend her passport. It has been a month since that happened and the RPO still say they do not know why her passport was suspended or who suspended it! She still hasnt received anything in writting and was again told this week to come back in a month! This whole thing is becoming a joke that anyone we have spoken to cant believe it is really happening.

We are trying everything to show her family that she has made a right decision to spend her life with me and that there is nothing to worry about moving to Europe. Hell I even went to India twice in the past 4 months to meet her family, and everything seemed fine then... We managed her mum to talk to me(and my family) on facetime about what is happening and my girlfriend told them that we are ready to forgive them everything. Just to stress this out: Her family(dad) were pretending that they do not oppose our relationship and her moving for almost a year. Hell, her father invited me to spend the last day with them, personally took us to the airport, hugged me like my own father and told me to take care of her. Now he doesnt even want to talk neither to her nor to us.
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As it stands now, she cannot even marry a foreigner under marriage act without her passport.
I don't believe that is true. But my wife did travel with me before we got married, so I am not absolutely sure. Thing is: why would Indians ever need a passport to get married? That doesn't make any sense at all: millions of Indians get married without ever leaving the country.

But if her father can screw around with senior police and passport officials, a mere registrar might not be any problem at all.
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Originally Posted by kmalik View Post RPG would be correct, were it the Indian Republic of Saudi Arabia. In the Indian law as it stands, the guardianship ends at 18 years of age.

PS: Also think that the “marry her” advice is a harks back to the same same chattel concept of personhood for the woman. The OP and his girlfriend marry if and when they would like to - and not when railroaded by the family or the self-appointed internet advisors.
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Originally Posted by RPG View Post I was being flippant. Shirley that was obvious.
Damn. I'd forgotten that you are from Yorkshire. The most deadpan sense of humour in the world.
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UPDATE:

It has been a month and we are still at the standstill. She has been at the RPO one more time and they still refuse to give any information as they say they still dont know why her passport even got suspended. We have been calling every number we can get our hands on at the RPO, MEA... and still nothing. Passport information officer has even stopped replying to our email. SP office is of no help and they basically said that it is not their concern.Her father is still denying everything and has basically stopped talking to her.

Could she simply apply for a new passport under a Tatkal scheme? What is the policy in India regarding having multiple passports?
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It is illegal. You cannot do that.
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You can discuss it with a competent lawyer to explore the legal option.

Has she been notified that her passport has been suspended officially? Or is it a valid passport and there is some type of bureaucratic hold? If her passport were legal, she could travel to something like Nepal and fly out of Kathmandu. I am not sure if it is legal, but I am also not sure what is happening to her is legal either.
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a) You are a troll (very very unlikely)
b) Your harassment is real and for no reason or rhyme (very unlikely)
c) Your girlfriend is playing games (Likely)
d) The universe is out there to f*** you (for sure)

I will say what I said earlier, get a lawyer if you are wronged, you will get justice, India is not a banana republic. This should have been the first option after all what happened, but somehow this option is not being considered. Also, were you eyewitness to all that transpired with you girlfriend, if not, then do consider point c as possibility.
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Originally Posted by Tethys View Post UPDATE:

It has been a month and we are still at the standstill. She has been at the RPO one more time and they still refuse to give any information as they say they still dont know why her passport even got suspended. We have been calling every number we can get our hands on at the RPO, MEA... and still nothing. Passport information officer has even stopped replying to our email. SP office is of no help and they basically said that it is not their concern.Her father is still denying everything and has basically stopped talking to her.

Could she simply apply for a new passport under a Tatkal scheme? What is the policy in India regarding having multiple passports?
Hello there!
Without taking the liberty of implying you as a Troll, or your GF playing games, or whatever, I'll come straight to whatever I guess may be useful for you:

Make a case history, without making it unnecessarily long, but ensuring you dont miss on anything crucial. Put in the names & designations of people you've come across, & who did not help you according to you,attach the copies of whatever relevant papers you have, put in your /your GF's contact numbers, and mail them to the following:

a) eam[at]mea.gov.in

with cc to the following

b) pseam[at]mea.gov.in

c) diream[at]mea.gov.in

d) useamo[at]mea.gov.in

e) adlpseam[at]mea.gov.in

I hope your issue shall be resolved. A friend of mine was facing similar issues, which got resolved after he approached EAM. And hurry, as India is never going to get another EAM, as compassionate and attentive as the incumbent one.

Just my 3 cents worth.
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Originally Posted by style_guru View Post Without taking the liberty of implying you as a Troll, or your GF playing games, or whatever, I'll come straight to whatever I guess may be useful for you:
First, I did not imply OP was a troll, I said it is very very unlikely, so keep your insinuations to yourself. Yes, about GF, I stand by what I said, it is in realm of possibilities with whatever limited information we have, I could of course be completely wrong, but that is besides the point.

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mail them to the following:
a) eammea.gov.in...
You forgot to add @, or at in all the id's, the correct address is eam(at)mea.gov.in and so on.

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I hope your issue shall be resolved. A friend of mine was facing similar issues, which got resolved after he approached EAM
All very well, let us assume it is resolved and the girl gets the passport, should that be the end of it?

There are many factors as to why is it essential to go to court, for one, it is not a small thing to be stopped from boarding and passport being suspended. Who knows what all is in the data, do you think all that will be erased after EAM intervention? Can there be any surety that later on there will be no new problems because someone finds some paper hidden somewhere in the file.

The only way to end it for once and all is to go to court and get this sorted out for good, and get all those punished who brought all this trauma to the young couple. They can also press for affidavit that she has been wrongly targeted and everything was a mistake, which will be a strong document for life that this chapter is over.

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