Insights from Indian citizens who successfully visited England with a tourist visa

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Hi all! Me again. My partner is in the process of applying for a tourist visa and has most of the requirements together, although he’s never been to England, or left India before, which we hear can make things harder. We decided not to marry (some may remember some queries I had a year or so back when I was thinking about moving to India to live, partly because the tourist visa for England seemed so tricky.) We keep hearing so many different things from various different agencies and people in India about the tourist visa process. Such as ‘you need 2 lakh’s in your Indian account for 3 months’ to ‘you need 3 lakh for 6 months’!!! 2 of my friends Indian partners have been refused a visa, even though 1 of them has been to England 3 times before. Im thinking about contacting the British embassy because as usual, I find the information I get via my partner and the Indian side - confusing! He doesn’t have friends in his social circle who have visited England, and only hears negative stories.

Has anyone been through the process and able to point us in the direction of a reliable information guide? Obviously we want to get it as right as we can, the first attempt.

Thank you
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I should add - we understand the requirements on paper. But not the unwritten stuff such as money in Indian bank account / whether or not one has left India before (and returned) / proof of things that tie you to India (business and property etc). None of these things are written anywhere, although we understand they actually make all the difference.
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It is a long time ago, but I first took my Indian wife to England before we were married.

I then had a house there, and 4,000 GBP in my British bank. She did not have any savings in India. I suspected this would not be enough, but it was.

A few years later, they gave us a much harder time, requiring originals of our house deeds, fixed deposits, etc etc. But she still got it.
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Each application is unique. Each potential applicant to atleast US is considered to be a potential immigrant, and I presume same guilty-till-proven-innocent rule applies to UK (If not more rigid)

Even a hint of an existing relationship, and a suspicion of false information is ground for refusal.

He will have to convince the ConsO (Consular Officer) that he is not a potential immigrant.

And then there is this thing about SurinderSingh route
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I should not be commenting on this as I have no truly relevant experience. But, I am not completely surprised the rejections or negative stories. The reason is embedded in the fact that the true reason for the visit is not being disclosed and is being substituted by lies instead. The consular officers can sense it and reject the visa.

Your partner should consider disclosing the true reason for the visit. That’d have the trip make sense - and lead to a positive outcome. I know this is not the usual approach in India, but following the cowpaths isn’t the best strategy.
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Your partner should consider disclosing the true reason for the visit. That’d have the trip make sense - and lead to a positive outcome. I know this is not the usual approach in India, but following the cowpaths isn’t the best strategy.
Absolutely. Before marriage, we put that the purpose of the visit was to meet my friends and family.

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--- anything like osteopaths, or psychopaths?
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--- anything like osteopaths, or psychopaths?
Usual full of cow dung, so I’d recommend a broom or a large animal veterinarian instead
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Is you partner employed or self employed (business)

If he is employed with a well known firm / institution etc then the visa process is easier.

A letter from the firm that your partner is going on leave for certain period is very good evidence that he plans to come back .

Also is he an income tax payer ? Tax returns( especially if the income is high) is a big bonus..

Unfortunately your partner has several things against him

1. Being single
2. Never travelled outside India


These are red flags for every case officer who deals with visa applications..

On the other hand if he is well off a visit with a tour group ( more likely to get a visa and the tour operators know how to get a visa ) to the schengen area ( Non UK) first might help for future visa to the UK.

A good tour operator knows the way around the system as they frequently have to deal with clients with limited funds ( but might have a fair bit of property etc )

It might boomerang if the schengen is refused but generally a good tour operator has a good success rate..

Once he has travelled on a schengen , future visa to UK or US might be easier.

The UK tour (group visit ) visa has a far higher risk of rejection than a schengen as far as I know( if there is no previous history of travel to the west).
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Insights from Indian citizens who have successfully visited England with a tourist vi

Thanks all, this is helpful (and disheartening, but as I thought).

Yes, he is employed and also has a business and a property in his name. His tax is in order, but he’s not rolling in it by any means and has been trying for ages to scrape a huge amount of money together for the whole thing (we have been advised that he needs to show his account statements).

He genuinely would be coming to visit for 2 weeks, even though - if he were accepted, I think he could stay for 6 months. However, he has work and responsibilities to get back to...it’s just convincing the officer of this, as someone highlighted!

I appreciate the thoughts and suggestions, thanks. Probably best that I am not the sponsor or to mention that we are a couple?

It’s so frustrating because this would be such a genuine applications (as are most I am sure). It seems so hard!
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Originally Posted by Aliciamcd View Post Thanks all, this is helpful (and disheartening, but as I thought).
What do you "really" want ? I presume, your previous dreams of getting married are on hold ? or abandoned ? If not ! ....read on !

There are many countries for which an Indian does not need a visa, or, have visa-on-arrival ! Some of them do legit marriages within a couple of days !

You may also google, Surinder Singh and see if it is relevant, or applicable.
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Originally Posted by nycank View Post What do you "really" want ? I presume, your previous dreams of getting married are on hold ? or abandoned ? If not ! ....read on !

There are many countries for which an Indian does not need a visa, or, have visa-on-arrival ! Some of them do legit marriages within a couple of days !

You may also google, Surinder Singh and see if it is relevant, or applicable.
The problem is that brexit is nearly there..Most people from the UK who use the Surinder Singh route choose Ireland due to the added bonus of language + British /Irish worker rights supersedes any EU rights.
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Originally Posted by ukdoctor View Post The problem is that brexit is nearly there..Most people from the UK who use the Surinder Singh route choose Ireland due to the added bonus of language + British /Irish worker rights supersedes any EU rights.
The #brexit would moot the Surinder Singh route would it not I'm not too clear on this legal defense. Hmm, it is probably a @VisHVa question !
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requiring originals of our house deeds, fixed deposits, etc
I am gob smacked at that (I think the meaning is different across the pond from England). On the other hand it comes from the land that invented red tape (in India)..
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Insights from Indian citizens who successfully visited England with a tourist visa

Literally speaking, I think it was the Brits that actually invented red tape. Is that the case (no pun intended) or is the tying of red ribbon around legal documents an international thing?

Anyway, Indian red tape, along with all the attendant corruption, must have been inherited from then.
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Originally Posted by Nick-H View Post Literally speaking, I think it was the Brits that actually invented red tape. Is that the case (no pun intended) or is the tying of red ribbon around legal documents an international thing?

Anyway, Indian red tape, along with all the attendant corruption, must have been inherited from then.


I would have thought so Nick-H! As with all the other ridiculous, bureaucratic stuff we Brit’s left behind.

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